Reasons (motor) Bikers are Repulicans?

I’m a member of another forum that revovles around motorcycles. More specifically V-Twin cruisers.

It a good resourse to talk about motorcycles, but I have to avoid the “Off Topic” section or my head threatens to asplode from the conservative, republican nonsense and pure Obama hate based on lies and ignorance. I can’t take it and I’m vastly outnumbered.

Anyway, what’s the connection? I’m thinking that the south is more republican and offers more rider friendly weather. That’s the best I can do.

Personally, I ride a cruiser because it’s comfortable. I’m 6’5" and find sport bikes all kinds of fun to drive - for about 5 mins. Then, I realize my knees are around my ears and that sport bikes are just not designed for tall guys. My point it I’m not influanced by the “culture”. I ride what I do because it’s the best fit for me.

FTR, I wouldn’t call myself Democratic or Republican. I definitely lean more left, but I tend to vote for the person, not their party. (I did vote Obama!)

So, any theories as to why riders of Harley, or even the metric cruisers like Shadow, Roadstar, or Vulcan are predominately Republican?

Warning: Sportbike rider here. :smiley:

I think that many or even most cruiser riders are influenced by the ‘biker culture’. Not you, but many.

The obviousl thing is that V-twins seem to be Harley-Davidsons or ‘seem to be’ Harley-Davidsons. How often have you heard a Harley-Davidson driver refer to Japanese bikes as ‘Jap crap’, or say ‘I’d rather push my Harley than ride a rice-burner!’? I can’t tell you how many Harley drivers I’ve met with jingoistic ‘U.S.A.! U.S.A!’ attitudes.

Perhaps this is because motorcycles are a symbol of freedom. So Freedom-loving Americans graviate to God-Bless-American bikes. Of course, Harleys tend to be more expensive than Japanese offerings. So many riders – who perhaps have the same God-and-Country outlook as their ‘bros’ – want to get as close to a Harley as their budgets will allow. ‘Sure, it’s Japanese. But Americans invented cruisers, and it sure ain’t no “rice rocket”!’

That’s my guess, anyway; based primarily upon people I’ve met. I do admit some bias, because I’ve had plenty of ‘rice rocket’ comments directed my way.

And FTR: I am a motorcyclist; not a ‘biker’. :wink: :smiley:

From a Jap Cruiser (Vulcan) Rider.

Just a wild assed guess but for some reason it seems to be perceived that being a tough bad ass mofo means you have to be an unrelenting flag waver, maybe a hold over from a past age of war heros. Plus I would be willing to wager that the population of cruiser riders has an average age slightly higher than sportbike riders. And I’m not sure if this has any play in the matter but the cost of a Harley is significantly higher than that of alot of sportbikes. Not to mention for some reason people who ride cruisers tend to repeat every dumb idea that they heard someone else on a cruiser say. Case in point: “Loud Pipes Save Lives” :dubious:.

OK, I can see Harley = Country loyalty. But aren’t Democrats loyal to their country as well?

In the interest of full disclosure, the site I’m referring to is geared toward the Honda Shadow, but all types of cruiser riders post there. I don’t want to get too specific to avoid any board wars - even though part of me wants some of outspoken Dopers Dems to go over there and put some of these guys in their place.

So either these guys are driving Hondas and pretending they are driving Harleys. Or there’s something else going on with it.

I wonder if there’s any sport bike/Democrat correlation. I’d probably be more of a sport bike rider if I fit on one.

Of course. (I’m non-partisan, but identify more closely with Democrats.) But Liberals don’t feel the need to proclaim their patriotism as loudly as Conservatives.

Red Skeezix, do you identify with one party or another? Just curious - feel free to not answer.

You may be on to something with the price. It kills me how expensive Harleys are. They are technically inferior to the metric cruisers and cost 2-3X as much. I’ll never understand the logic behind an aircooled Vtwin in that configuration.

Don’t get me started on the “loud pipes makes my dick look bigger” nonsense.

Yeah, I can see that.

Possibly because most Harley riders are birds of the same feather… a relatively simple-minded group, placing much value on strength and guts (and loud pipes), and not so much in thinking/talking/discussing (they proclaim to be leaders, but in actuality, i find they are oftentimes followers). I’m not putting a value on either of these, BTW. Also, it is my opinion that if one of the bikers at the local CBA meeting happened to disagree with (something like) handgun legislation, they’d keep their flippin’ mouth shut.

FWIW, I also subscribe to a motorcycle roadracing BBS (most racebikes are sportbikes… certainly no cruisers) and, Boy Howdy… there’s a lot of “republican” drivel on there, too. The opinions are oftentimes countered with a bit of the other side’s point of view, however most discussions on that board still strike me as somewhat “un-stimulating”. Yes, I avoid their “dungeon” like a proverbial plague.

Interesting. I thought there’d be more of a cruiser=pubby, sportbike=dem bias.

I guess it more applies to all bikers. But, not necessarily motorcyclists.

I lean left, I ride a Kawasaki Vulcan. I also use a mesh jacket and full-face helmet, which are more in line with the sports bike image rather than the tough, tattooed, no-helmet hog-rider image.

For what it’s worth, I was riding north on a back-roads highway several months ago and there was just a ton of riders coming south, most on cruisers, and most of them gave me the friendly fellow-biker wave which I don’t see too often from the tough guys. I learned later it was a Hell’s Angels thing that was going on, and I happened to cross through it.

Hells Angel by Sonny Barger (NOT the original Hells Angels by Hunter S. Thompson) gives a very good look at the outlaw biker mentality. (Note that I am not implying that all Harley riders have anything to do with the outlaw biker culture or even know what it is.) Barger was the founder of the Hells Angels club (no apostrophe in the official spelling.) In his book, he talks about the politics of the club. It’s something I’ve been interested in for a while, the weird relationship between the Angels and the left-wing counterculture during the 60s.

As Barger writes, the Hells Angels and other outlaw biker groups were never leftists. For that matter, a lot of the hippies that they partied with weren’t leftists either. Barger makes this distinction very clear when he discusses the difference between the Berkeley hippies and the San Francisco hippies. The counterculture in San Francisco, in Barger’s words, was all about people who wanted to party, listen to music and fuck. It was largely an apolitical scene, at least in the eyes of the outlaw bikers. The two groups got along because of their shared interest in drugs, drinking, and fucking. San Francisco was where the Angels found their kindred spirits and supposedly a lot of the hippie guys would just let their girlfriend fuck one of the Hells Angels, like as some weird form of tribute. The Angels were like these badass outlaw knights or something, both feared and admired.

The Berkeley crowd, on the other hand, was really despised by the Angels and by Barger in particular because of what he saw as their anti-American sentiment and their overt leftist political philosophy. Everything Barger writes about the Abbie Hoffman, “fight-the-power,” pseudo-communist activists in the 60s was dripping with contempt. You have to realize that the Angels were extremely jingoistic. The majority of them seem to have had military service, often in combat, and they really viewed the anti-war movement of the left as being pro-communist. They saw them as anti-American, and not just that but also weak and cowardly for not serving in the military. Barger actually tried to get the Hells Angels sent to Vietnam to fight, but they all had felony records so they were ineligible for service. He even wrote a letter to Pres. Johnson requesting that the club be sent to fight in Vietnam!

The Angels all came from blue collar backgrounds. Mostly Italian-American, Irish-American or “Okies,” though there were also some blacks, Hispanics and Chinese in the club. But they were all what people back then referred to as “hardhats.” In other words, rough, tough, working class folk, as opposed to the left-wing radicals who were middle-class and college educated.

You should just read the book; it’s a great book. But what it all boils down to is that the Hells Angels saw the left wing as being pussified anti-American over-educated effete wimpy Commies, and you can bet your ass they didn’t want to have ANY part of that.

So that’s the outlaw biker side of it. The other side of the Harley and other cruiser riders, is the “RUB” or “rich urban biker” people; professionals who are rich, and can afford a Harley. (They usually get one that’s all decked out with extras, as opposed to the stripped down sort that outlaws would ride.) These people just happen to be in the demographic that is predominantly Republican, so it’s no surprise there.

Sportbikes have more of a hipster image, so there are probably more educated, young, programmer/engineer or what have you type guys with crotch rockets; I have many friends who fit that description who have CBRs and whatnot, and they’re generally left-wing on everything except guns. But there are also a lot of “redneck” type guys who also have sportbikes, around here in Indiana anyway, and those guys are often Republicans. So it’s a mixed bag.

You ain’t gonna like this, Brewha, but racism has a lot to do with it. You may hang around in biker chatrooms, but you ever hang around in a biker bar?? If so, are your ears open? It almost makes your original question sound naive and silly. “Motor” Bikes?

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Hells Angel by Sonny Barger (NOT the original Hells Angels by Hunter S. Thompson) gives a very good look at the outlaw biker mentality. (Note that I am not implying that all Harley riders have anything to do with the outlaw biker culture or even know what it is.) Barger was the founder of the Hells Angels club (no apostrophe in the official spelling.)
If you think Sonny Barger was the founder of the Angels, then you’ve got more reading to do.

Argent Towers, that’s good stuff. Thanks for the response, I’ll have to pick up the book. I’d say that most of the people I interact with at the other site fit the category of RUB rather than outlaw biker.
Bobo you ain’t gonna like this, but your response sounds assholish and condescending. I’ve got several buddies that are hard-core bikers. Yes, I’ve hung out with them at their bars and gone to their parties. I haven’t heard any racist remarks from them. But, even if I had, are republicans generally racist? That’s a serious question, I’m not big into politics.

As far as my thread title - not that I give two shits what you think of it - originally, it was “Reasons Bikers are Republicans”. I didn’t want people to wonder whether I meant motorcyclists or bicyclists. Yes, I realize it’s not the common terminology. I’ve been on a motorcycle since I was 5 years old. I’ve raced motocross. I’ve never been without a street bike since I got my license. You can call me alot of things, but naive about motorcycles is not one of them.

You’re right. According to this, there were several different HA clubs that sprung up in different areas of California independent of each other. It seems that they evolved from earlier biker clubs.

Sonny Barger was the founder of the Oakland chapter. He was also the one who got the largest amount of publicity (and he also self-promotes, quite skillfully it seems) so I guess he was the public face of the HAMC to a lot of people, but he was not the original founder of the whole club. Sorry about that.

I worked for the president of a bike club that I refer to as the “10%ers”. Not hard core outlaw “1%ers”, but certainly straddling the line. That was back in the early 80s. There was little to no discussion of political anything with that bunch. They were more interested in riding and getting high than anything else.

In the mid-90s I did the newsletter for a group of Harley riders who were all either executives or business owners. They liked to ride, but were much more opinionated politically than the 10%ers.

I find that my 10%ers are now Tightie Righties who value god and america over goodness and justice. They are glurge promoters and narrow-minded flag wavers.

The last time I spoke with my executive biker, he (retired military) was back in the Pentagon snoopin’ and poopin’ for Uncle Sam. He’s extremely right wing. Nice enough guy til you really find out what makes him tick.

The remaining group of scooter tramps I know don’t give a fuck one way or the other.

It has a LOT to do with it.

I tend to vote right on money issues and left on social issues. During the last election both candidates seemed so completely horrid that I voted 3rd party.
Although I’m a novice rider in a pretty heavily rider populated area, a fair share of the people I know who own Harleys ride their bike less than ten times a year (I ride pretty much everyday from March to Mid november). So that may color my opinion of them.

While I can see that some people are racists and would choose their political candidates based on that fact alone, I am a little sick of the fact that white males who don’t agree with Obama’s policies are frequently painted with the broad brush of racism.

My bike is a 50cc Yamaha, and I’m an Independent.

Figures, right?

Not a road biker but I’ve been riding motocross bikes for over half my life. I think in the conservatism comes from two sources.

  1. The Dem’s environmental policies generally hurt off-road riders. Things like land closing’s and EPA restrictions all but killing the two stroke are largely blamed on Democrats. Also the switch from 2 stroke to 4 stroke engines to meet more stringent emissions standards has caused noise pollution issues.

  2. There is a very large overlap between gun owners and off-roaders with all that entails.

  3. We are all racist. The only reason James Stewart isn’t winning every race is all the white guys keep crashing him out. We would rather an Australian win every year then some black dude.

It has nothing to do with it. I think some of you in this thread are projecting your own stereotypes and making comments about a culture you don’t understand even one bit.

I understand it. I’ve been around some pretty hard-core bikers for long periods of time. I’ve hung out with them, partied with them, sat around on a Saturday afternoon having beers and barbecue with them. I’m not talking about yuppies with leather jackets, I’m talking about color-wearing bikers in gangs of nebulous legality, with beards to their chests and pony tails and the whole bit.

What I can tell you is that the culture is actually fairly complex. These are guys that will beat the living tar out of someone for doing wrong by them, then turn around and spend a week planning a toy run for charity. Any stereotype of them as being any one thing is bound to be as wrong as trying to stereotype the typical yuppie or electrician.

Politically, they’re somewhat confused. Most of them are Republicans (or Conservatives in Canada), and yet many of them are strong union supporters. I think they’d most likely be associated with working-class ‘blue dog’ Democrats, except that they have a streak of individuality that pushes them a little farther to the right.

What motivates them to be Republican? I’d say a general disdain for bureaucrats, general dislike of government, patriotism, and just a general association with a culture that leans more to the right than to the left.

I’d go into more detail, because it’s an interesting subject, but I’m late for an appointment. I’ll post some more later when I get back.