Rebuilding a Carburetor

The carb in my 77 Chevy LUV (I know, I know this is about the fifth time i’ve posted a thread about this POS) is toast. The secondary barrel is running dry. I’ve looked into all my options and it comes down to either spending around $300 for a rebuilt. With no real idea how well it was rebuilt. Or rebuilding the carb myself.

My question is this: What things should I beware of while I am doing this job?

I’ve been hearing horror stories from co-workers about screwing up their carbs trying to rebuild them. I am a VERY mechanically inclined person (I fix these for a living: http://www.flir.com/airborne/products/ultramediaiii//index.htm/ln=dp/lang=EN ). And I’ve been doing all the work myself on this truck, but I really don’t want to fuck something up and be with out a vehicle while it’s in the shop.

If you really want to rebuild the carb but have never done rebuilt one, I was taught an easy way by my step father. He was a very goo mechanic and I learned a lot from him.

First, get another used carb from a wrecking yard. It doesn’t even need to be a working carb. A used one should run about $30 to $50. Just make sure it is complete. This is the carb you want to rebuild. The original carb will be your chinese blueprint for putting the other carb back together. Nothing worse than taking something apart then not being able to remember how it went together. You will also need carb cleaner. Invest in a gallon can that has the built in strainer. Allowing the parts to soak will clean them much better than the spray kind. You will also need a clean area to put the carb pack together.

Many carbs have fasteners with non standard drives. Holley and Rochester use a lot of clutch or butterfly drive screws. Use the right tools, you do not want to mess up any parts. There are also lots of brass and other soft metal parts. They can be broken or stripped very easily. Take your time and take pictures if neccesary. Having a Chiltons or other manual for the carb would not hurt. Have fun.

You can get a junkyard carb for about $25 around here (they say it’s in “rebuildable” condition, meaning it’s sat out there for god knows how long and they don’t really know what kind of condition it’s in). Then get the kit and try to rebuild it. If you put it on and it doesn’t work, then you can go back to the carb you got and your vehicle won’t be stranded.

I’ve rebuilt one carb in my life and fouled up the idle setting on it somehow. Its not really that hard to do, just make sure you know of a good repair shop so that if after you get it back onto the engine you discover you’ve done something wrong they can fix it. (Remember, you’ll have done the hard part, so if you do get it back together and find there’s something wrong that you don’t know how to fix the shop’ll be able to get it going pretty quickly. If you tip the guy $20 he might be willing to let you see what he did.)

I’ve re-built engines, trannies, heads, if it sticks to a 302, I’ve played with it. 'Cept for the carburetor. Those damn things are so effing tempermental, that I enjoy the luxury of the warranty of an Advance Auto Parts rebuild. Most shops will trade them in within a year, NQA, if they start to go south.

It isn’t so much a question of rebuildability, or following directions, but the fact that the parts can cost as much as the rebuilt, by the time you are finished. Rebuilt the carb on my 230 ci Chevy six four times- the shafts were bent, they leaked, the float/seat/needle valve had to be replaced, the linkage was loose and messed up, one thing after another. by the time I bought all the parts I needed, I had paid more than a rebuilt carb, and it still didn’t run right.

So i bought the rebuilt, and it ran right away. Only instead of just paying 157 bucks for the rebuilt, I paid that plus over a hundred bucks in rebuild parts as well. Plus, if the shafts are worn, you’ll have to spend as much on repairing that (unless you run a machine shop) as you would a rebuilt. Get the rebuilt, save the hassle.

And shop around, there are a LOT of places that sell them at discount prices.
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BTW, Autozone lists that carburetor for 190 bucks.

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"Autozone lists that carburetor for 190 bucks. "

Is that online? I found that Some of the onlines places are more because they don’t expect you to give them the core.

Actually it’s 190 + 60 for the core, so show up with 250 bucks and get your 60 back when you drop off the core. The price I researched was based on me buying it at my local store- Autozone lets you select, purchase, and pay for items online and just go to the store and pick up. You can also pre-order this way. (supposedly, I’ve never done it, I prefer to see the part in my hand before I pull out the credit card…) I bought my Chevy carb at that specific Autozone and have had zero trouble with it.

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One way to look at is, if you try to rebuild it and it doesn’t turn out well, all you’re out is the cost of the overhaul kit and float and your time. You could still buy a rebuilt unit and turn your old one in for the core.

Carbs are easy to blame, because it’s often difficult to prove that they’re not the problem. I don’t know what the symptoms are or what diagnosis has been done, but my general advice is to be as certain as you can that other possibilities are not the real culprit.

The secondary barrel is running dry. I’m not quite sure what you mean here. I assume it’s a progressive 2-barrel (one primary venturi, one secondary). On these, you can normally see some gas going through the primary at idle and while revved. But usually you won’t see gas going through the secondary. It’s closed except under load with the primary opened more than halfway. With the vehicle sitting still, it’s not going to have much load, and it can get scary trying to rev it up enough to give the secondary a chance to start working. If the secondary was inoperative for some reason but the primary still worked, I would expect it to run more or less OK as long as acceleration was gentle. I would also expect it to be pretty anemic when you put your foot in it.

The typical problems with this type of carb are dirt/debris build-up, wear of soft parts (e.g. accelerator pump), and float sinkage. The overhaul kit won’t have a float, it would be wise to get one. Carefully study the instruction sheet that comes with the kit to get an idea of what you’ll be doing. Keep in mind that you won’t need to disassemble the carb completely–don’t automatically remove every separate part shown in the drawing.

I’ve had fine results using a couple of cans of spray carb cleaner. One advantage of this is that you can put the thin nozzle into every passage and verify that they aren’t plugged. I follow this by spraying with compressed air (not absolutely necessary but a big plus if available). The soak type cleaners are more effective at getting the parts really clean and shiny, but they’re expensive and somewhat caustic. In most cases, they aren’t needed to do the job adequately.

I won’t be able to cover every base, but here are some tips that come to mind:

Have a large work surface, and lay out the parts you remove in order.
Make any notes or drawings that you feel might be helpful for reassembly.
Note that some adjustments (e.g. float level) need to be made before completing reassembly.
If you remove the jets for cleaning (I do to be sure there isn’t crud built up in the passages), make VERY careful notes about which jet goes where. There should be a number on the jet to help identify it. Do not assume that the primary always get the smaller jet of a pair, sometimes the secondary does, and there is no consistent rule about this. Write it down during disassembly.
Avoid subjecting any rubber or plastic parts to the carb cleaner.
Avoid destroying linkage fasteners (clips, cotter pins, etc.). Sometimes the ones in the kit don’t fit right, and these are itty-bitty things that you aren’t going to find in any store.
If the secondary is opened by a vacuum diaphragm, bench test it to make sure it works. Also test the choke pull-off(s). Most kits don’t have these diaphragms.
A set of drill bits, every 1/32nd up to 1/4", can be very handy for measuring choke unloader, choke pull-off, etc.

Good luck!

I’ve rebuilt a couple. They’re fiddly, but I’m a lawyer for fuck’s sake. OK, so I’m mechanically minded and have been doing mechanical things since I could walk, but still if I can do this you can do this.
Go for it.

I did them on a VW bug, pretty easy.

Gary T, what do you think about those carb cleaners you add to your gas?

They can be helpful on fuel injections systems. The best brand, in my opinion, is Chevron’s Techron. It’s house-branded by a few of the vehicle manufacturers.

I doubt they do much good for carburetors. Usually, the type of dirt that does carbs in is particles. Whereas fuel injection systems are sometimes affected by build-up of deposits which the cleaners might be able to dissolve, I’ve haven’t seen that as much of a problem in carbs. I don’t see how it would hurt, but I wouldn’t expect it to help much