Rebuttals/responses to new James O'Keefe video?

  1. This isn’t true.
  2. Even if it were true, good - Project Veritas is irreparably tainted and shouldn’t be taken seriously; it’s the equivalent of inviting someone like Kent Hovind on to talk about evolution or what constitutes a “church”.
  3. This still isn’t true.

Ok there was some coverage. The rest of what I said was true. You people have to realize I do not put much time into this stuff and I had never heard of this outfit before this video came out.

“Foval was laid off Monday by Americans United for Change, where he had been national field director; Creamer announced Tuesday night that he was “stepping back” from the work he was doing for the unified Democratic campaign for Hillary Clinton.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/19/two-democratic-operatives-lose-jobs-after-james-okeefe-sting/?client=safari

“O’Keefe” + “video” - “snuff” = “not worth watching”

.“the rest of what you said” didn’t convey a message. The only important bit you were adding to the thread was the part that was blatantly false.

Yeah, we realize that.

And yet somehow I heard of it a day or two ago. I must be magical! :stuck_out_tongue:

Seeing some blokes get fired still does not make what O’Keefe reports the reality.

In the Washington Post report there is the observation that what the one that was boasting about interrupting a Trump rally was not telling the truth as we know who did the disruption, students that were not related to the campaign.

What is typical of videos like this one is that after all the dust is settled we usually find that there was a lot that the video missed, or was edited out; in the ACORN case that made O’Keefe famous it ended up with him having to settle with one of the people that lost his job. The worker there actually did call the police right away after his peculiar interview with O’Keefe.

That is key IMHO to understand what happens in “stings” that O’Keefe makes. The mark, out of being helpful or in an effort to humor a person that seems to look to get help, convinces the worker to go along with hypotheticals or “what ifs”. Careful edits then can turn chit chat like that into “damming” video evidence that was actually people that does not know better (it happens a lot, remember the Peter Principle). Such display of ignorance is BTW a good reason to get someone canned.

There is also the factor that the mark can go into self aggrandizing mode or knows better and realizes what is going on (the worker thinks that he is confronting a con man or criminal and wants to keep it cool until he has a chance to call the police) and plants poison pills with the impossible boasts and bullshit that can make the troll to trip if he tries to do what was “recommended”. In fact IIUC the Washington Post article also points to a case in the recent videos where the mark actually had someone transcribing the conversation and later he could show that the posted edited video was misleading, so he kept his job.

Bottom line, O’Keefe has done a lot of damage to the ignorant or the innocent alike, one should demand much better evidence from the likes of him.

When they give you edited footage and won’t give you the complete unedited stuff…pretty much says it all.

We should call it the Shirley Sherrod Effect.

Oh, looky, Breitbart was involved in that one, too.

If you see Breitbart’s name attached to a “sunny day” weather report, be sure to take your umbrella.

Agreed, he makes Morgan Spurlock and Michael Moore look like Pulitzer candidates.

Worth pointing out that the guy who resigned has a wife running for a House seat. He said he’s stepping down to not be a distraction. That doesn’t imply guilt nor preclude him from joining again later, just that he views her end of it more importantly than his own.

According to David Fahrenthold at the Washington Post (who has been digging into the Trump Foundation this election season), the Trump Foundation “charity” gave $10,000 to Project Veritas last year.

I don’t think it matters at this point. If this had been released around the time of the first debate this might have been taken seriously, but with Trump clearly trailing and clearly losing voters, it’s almost to the point where any bad dirt from any source is going to be regarded as a political hail Mary pass.

The only reason I care enough to post is that you have organizations like CNN and other outlets who continue to report this drivel despite their disclaimers “We should tell you that James O’Keefe has a history of doctoring videos” – then why fucking report it? Why bother even treating it like real news?

I almost wish someone from CNN and Fox News would turn this into a focal point of an interview and have whoever is being interviewed turn around and say "You know I’d love to talk about that but actually I saw an even more interesting article in the Onion today.