Recommend some complicated films for me...please!

I’ve recently rented or otherwise seen movies that I thought were absolutely amazing because of their complexity. Basically, I couldn’t figure them out from one viewing…or at the very least a second viewing was necessary to catch the plot in retrospect.

After seeing these films, I find it necessary to read about them, talk about them, and contemplate them late at night while staring wide-eyed at the ceiling. Most recently, they are Donnie Darko (wow!), Memento, and Mulholland Drive.

Does anyone have suggestions for other films along these lines? After seeing Lost Highway (a few times) and Mulholland Drive, I already have plans to explore a bit more David Lynch. Anything else I should make plans for?

Laura

Ingmar Bergman’s Persona and Robert Altman’s 3 Women
Francis Ford Coppola’s The Conversation and David Mamet’s House of Games
Anything by Luis Bunuel (for starters, try Belle de Jour or The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie)
Michelangelo Antonioni’s L’Eclisse and The Passenger with Jack Nicholson.
Jacque Rivette’s Celine and Julie Go Boating

Chinatown. The Big Sleep. The Maltese Falcon. All film noir.

Most Altman films (from reputation). I have only seen Gosford Park though which was excellent.

I’ve seen Chinatown and The Conversation and loved them both. Thanks for all the recommendations.

Rented Gosford Park recently and couldn’t get into it. Not sure if it was my mood or the movie. It was beautiful, but I couldn’t convince myself to CARE about what was going on. I’ll have to give it a second shot.

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On a more “mainstream” level I found both The Hunt for Red October (Sean Connery) and Deathtrap (Michael Caine and Christopher Reeve) to be well-plotted, with enough twists to keep you guessing to the end.

“The Usual Suspects” is a good one. I’m still trying to figure it out.

ultrafilter beat me to The Usual Suspects a great film, so I’ll suggest [bL.A. Confidential** and The Man Who Wasn’t There both modern film noir that have some good plot twists. And you might try Somersby a Civil War era movie, based on a French movie (yes, the French movie was undoubtable better, but I never saw it, so go be a snob somewhere else). I liked Somersby mostly because it did not have an American ending, and that amazed me–Hollywood ruins so many movies by giving them nice, neat, happy endings. (Yeah, so I’m a snob, too, be surprized).

The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the Eighth Dimension. It throws all kinds of characters and plotlines at you right off the bat and never quits. Good fun.

I like CyberPundit’s suggestion of The Big Sleep. It is definitely complex…so much so that the writers, Raymond Chandler and William Faulkner (!), had trouble explaining some of the plot points. It makes for a dangerous drinking game if you take a swig every time Bogart takes a gun off someone.

I’m not a David Lynch fan, but The Elephant Man is good, and The Straight Story is supposed to be excellent.

Anything by Terry Gilliam is bound to be pretty complex, such as “Twelve Monkees” and “Brazil”. Other than that, I’ll third the suggestion for “The Big Sleep” - a buddy and I killed three pitches of beers trying to diagram the plot!..Timmy

ANything by Andrei Tarkovsky, starting with Solaris. Probably my single favorite director, if I had to pick one.

Also, and more recently, Eyes Wide Shut is best appreciated after several viewings. Here’s a fascinating review by our own Cervaise.

Mystery Train - three storylines
Julian Donkeyboy - more difficult than complex
Kingdom - Dutch miniseries about a haunted hospital, great acting
Through a Glass Darkly and Seventh Seal by Ingmar Bergman

Oh, anything by Peter Greenaway. I highly recommend The Pillow Book.

Fellini’s Satyricon Gotta love the Sundance channel.
Ingmar Bergman’s The Seventh Seal

Gotta love the Sundance channel.

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I second Fellini Satyricon, but I didn’t find it too complicated. Still an excellent film.

Try keeping all the characters and their relationships straight in Lock, Stock, And Two Smoking Barrels. Not deep but fun.

LoneStar and much of John Sayles’ other work is complex.

Topsy-Turvy - It’s interesting to watch all the conflicts and personality clashes in putting on Gilbert and Sullivan’s The Mikado.

some others off the top of my head:
Croupier, The Grifters, Ran, Rashomon, Seven Days In May, Gorky Park, City Of Lost Children

I’ll throw in Being John Malkovich. It’s one of thse films that just when you think you’ve figured out where it’s going it veers off in another direction.

Angel Heart is another one that keeps you guessing right up until the end.

And don’t get me started on the hidden complexity in “Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.”

Go has a non-linear structure and was fun too. Someone mentioned **The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover ** in the thread about movies you like that no one saw. Layered and very weird. Fanny and Alexander is also good if you don’t mind subtitles.

I also just finished watbhing Akira. I don’t know whether complicated is exactly how I’d describe it. More like confusing.

Re: “Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back”

A $20 million inside jokefest, requiring you to have seen 4 other films to get them all. I’ve been trying to explain them all to guy at work who liked the movie a little but kept asking "Why was that in there? and “Who was that?”. He’s seen one other film in the ViewAskewniverse, and is totally lost.

** Lulu on the Bridge**
** Photographing Fairies **
Urbania (the one from 2000)
Or if you want complex and fun, Go

Oooh, I loved Croupier. Who else thinks that Clive Owen would make an excellent James Bond when Pierce Brosnan retires?

I also loved Lonestar and Being John Malkovitch.