Recording/Sequencing music on PC

OK background stuff -
Years ago I played with sequencing software (ACID). But lately I’ve been noodling around with electric/acoustic guitars via Guitar Rig. The Guitar Rig people ran a special on their synthesizer and sound loop databases and I picked up a lot of sound samples. But nothing to sequence with.

So I’d like to load a decent sequencing /recording software package on my PC (Windows 7 Op System)

I have at my disposal a midi key board, a midi interface/ and a recording interface.
The midi and recording interface is a Guitar Rig Kontrol board. I’m considering picking up a medium priced interface that doesn’t have all of the guitar peripheral stuff on it.

Sorry for the long intro. Here’s my questions.

  1. Anybody out there do any music recording via PC Pro Tools , Cubase etc?

  2. What are recommendations for putting together a modest DAW or studio?

  3. Any recommended reading material that you used?

  4. In the fight between fast learning curve and multi-features I lean towards “fast learning curve” In other words decent functional presets are my friend.

Mods since this is a music subject I posted here. But it’s also a request for opinions. My apologies if this is deemed the wrong forum.

I don’t do much sequencing, but the best DAW deal by far is Reaper. It’s a full-featured DAW with an unlimited free trial and it’s only $60 to register. Some great forum resources are gearslutz.com, thewombforums.com and www.reaper.fm/forum.php. Some of the people who’ve recorded your favorite music post at the Womb and Gearslutz regularly.

I use Ableton Live + Session Drums pack, which I find really nice. I’ve used a bunch of the lower priced or free music apps, and they tend (to me) to be weird and crashy. Ableton has been rock solid. YMMV.

I don’t know anything about Reaper, but a DAW != a sequencer. Reaper may do both, as Ableton Live does, but I haven’t used it.

I’ve found Reaper to be as stable as Pro Tools or Cakewalk/Nuendo and has the features of its more expensive competitors, including some very usable plugins, but Squeegee is correct-you’d need a separate sequencer.

I use Zynewave Podium, personally.

There’s a free version, which is about the best of anything you can get for free, and the paid version is good value for the money. Either way, you get the best interface of any DAW. I’d particularly recommend it if you want to mix recorded tracks with sequenced backing tracks or some sequenced parts. (I wouldn’t recommend it for doing a lot of loop based stuff, but then, you’ve already got Acid for that.)

If you want to put together a proper home studio, the next thing you’ll need is a good audio interface. This is a bit more tricky, because you’ll have to choose between firewire and USB. Firewire interfaces used to be the recommended thing, because they were faster than the USB 1 standard. But these days firewire is becoming rare, and cheap firewire doesn’t work well with firewire audio interfaces. So a USB 2 interface is the best bet at the moment (until lightpipe or one of the other new interface types get established).

Personally, I use a Lexicon I-Onix USB interface, but that was a bit of a self-indulgence on my part. You can get away with something a bit cheaper. Focusrite is the popular quality brand at the moment. The bass player in my band (who has a better paying job than me) has an Allen & Heath ZR16, which is a serious bit of kit, but really nice if you can afford it. I suggest you buy the best interface you can afford. Buying a cheap one is a false economy, because you’ll only have to upgrade it down the line. It’s the same with those USB microphones – they become redundant as soon as you start buying real microphones, so don’t waste your money.

You’ll need microphones. The best microphone to buy starting out is a Shure SM57. An SM57 will never stop being useful, no matter how many microphones you end up buying as you go along. They’re cheap, and they’re an industry standard. You’ll see them on stages, and in the very fanciest recording studios. People have recorded entire albums using only SM57s.

What else? If you want to get into the sequencing thing on your computer, you’ll probably want to buy a controller keyboard. Playing parts into a sequence beats the heck out of programming a sequence note by painful note. You don’t have to spend a lot of money here. I use a Behringer UMX controller, and they are cheap, reliable, and come in a bunch of different sizes. Or if you don’t have much desk-space to spare, you could get a Korg Nanokontrol.

To good results, you’ll want to start building up a good collection of VST plugins. That doesn’t necessarily have to cost you anything except a bit of time, going through stuff and trying it. I’d start with the Melda Free Plugin bundle. The Melda plugins are good quality, and you can either use them for free or pay them a small fee to make the nag-screens go away. After that I’d go for the Antress Modern plugins, which are truly free (although sometimes a little buggy), and mostly good quality. In particular I like Modern Black Dragon, which is pretty much indispensable to me. Finally, I’d get all the free Variety of Sound plugins, which are very good. There are also a ton of free VST instruments and effects out there. KVR Audio has a database of what’s available.

And that’s pretty much it. If you set up a home studio like the one I’ve described above, you should be able to make recordings 90% as good as any commercial release (with a bit of practice). If you want to go that last 10%, you’ll need to start looking at room treatment and good studio monitors, or maybe get yourself a really good set of open-backed headphones.

Wow, good recap, Kim. I can’t say I use or thought about that half as much as you apparently do. Agree re SM57 – solid, solid mic. And I wish I did half my stuff on keyboard rather than sequencing, because I suck at midi keyboard, but that’s obviously the way to go. But other than my personal handicap, I can’t agree more with anything you wrote.

+1 for Ableton Live + Guitar Rig - I’ve been using it for years.

I have an Edirol FA-101 (10 in 10 out FireWire with midi in/out, USB2 versions available) and a Behringer FCB-1010 footboard as a controller. I use it live with the 1010 controlling GR patches/controllers and the Ableton Looper as well as adding Vocal processing (reverb/chorus/eq). My laptop sits in a case with the FA-101 and all cables/power. Takes a few minutes to set and wake from hibernation, and all controls are managed from the FCB-1010. I give the desk two outputs (mike and guitar, with the looper across both) and have a monitor feed out to my own amp on stage. I have 2 hum-eliminators to get rid of ground loops/digital noise from the laptop.

Works a treat. However, Ableton is a live sequencer, and not a great midi editor. I use other tools to edit midi for sequences.

My next aim is semi-sequenced live performance - the track is divided into Ableton Scenes (intro, verse1, chorus1, verse2, chorus2, bridge, chorus, break, extro). However, using the footboard I can decide to loop a section, jump forward, jump back, hold the break etc. Also, parts of sections get recorded, so chorus1 records guitar and vocals. When I get to chorus2, the recorded bits play so I can sing another part, or play harmonica or additional guitar breaks. This way, the song is live but builds up like a full band would, and the drum/bass parts I have sequenced hold the performance together timing-wise.

Si

I’ve got my process down to a fine art these days, and I can go from nothing to a finished and well-polished full band demo in about three hours.

I start with drums. Because I’m not a drummer, I have to sequence all my drums or find drum loops to use. (I might have an idea for the general song at this point, or I might not – it depends on how much of a hurry I’m in). Because I’m having to edit and arrange drum patterns, this is where I decide on the structure and tempo of the song, and I’ll label all the parts on the timeline: Intro, verse 1, chorus, bridge, middle 8… that sort of thing.

After that I’ll lay down the rhythm guitar, which gives me the chord sequences. Then I’ll do the bass and lead vocals. There’s usually enough of a song by this point that I can stop to write the lyrics without losing it. And for me, writing lyrics is probably the most time consuming thing. When I’ve got the vocals, that’s the core of my song done. So after that point I’m mostly adding embellishments: lead guitar, backing vocals, other sequenced instruments, and so on. Then it’s onto mixing, where I clean it all up and make it presentable.

A lot of my music is guitar and drum based, but that can get repetitive (especially since I’m recording so much music these days), so from time to time, I try to mix it up a bit. I’ll do songs that are driven by the bass line, or use soft-synths, or anything at all really. And that’s the beauty of modern computer based music production – you can do almost anything you could possibly imagine.

I’ve used Cubase for about 10 years - currently Cubase Artist 6.5 which was £180 at DV247.com
As Kim said the interface is important and I’ve essentially recently downgraded from a Tascam FW 1082 with the fancy flying faders to a Zoom R16 which is smaller and still probably more than I need it for.
I have a Focusrite Trak Master vocal/instrument pre amp which I use only for vocals, but that’s just habit.

Windows 7 is 64 bit and so is Cubase 6 - if you want it to be. I don’t so when asked, told it to install as 32 bit as some of my plug ins won’t work in a 64 bit DAW. When I realised that my most used plug wouldn’t work, it was a deal breaker. I cannot recommend Addictive Drums highly enough. not only is it an amazing sounding programme, it’s simple, cheap and the support is the best I’ve ever had on any product I’ve ever bought! Not that it is glitchy, just with new pc/licencing issues they could not have been more helpful, as well as daily emails on the 64 bit issue - truly excellent customer service for a great drum programme.
Another important home recording issue is monitoring but maybe you already have that sorted? If not - and apologies if you know this already, the golden rule is not to use hi-fi speakers - use flat response monitors - no sound colouration. I have a pair of Tannoy reveals and a Samson servo 70 watt power amp; bought 5 years ago for £189 and £100 respectively.
So, good luck, kiss your wife goodbye as you may be gone for some time. It’s the best therapy I’ve found.
You can hear some rough mixes of my home recordings at the link below - if only for the drums; Made in Macau, The Clockmaker and Wake Me Up (not the Wham song) use drum loops or a drum machine and the others use Addictive Drums. Listen to the last minute of Aeroplanes and what would have taken me weeks to achieve on my Korg drum machine was done in an evening. (I am honestly not a spokesperson for AD!)

Cheers
MiM

Reaper and Podium both have 64 bit versions as well.

But some of the VST plugins I use most are not 64 bit, so I’m still using 32 bit for the moment.

These responses are exactly what I was hoping for. You have all given me some great leads and ideas for how I want to build out my music setup. A special thank you to Kim for the primer.

si-blakely - you mentioned guitar rig which I use now. Do you also have the other Native Instrument products?

They had an offer a few months ago where they offered their Komplete 8 product at a discount to Guitar Rig owners. I bought it and loaded it on my computer. It was at that time that I realized that I had the horse well before the cart on this one. I have some very nice quality samples and apps but no way (easily) to incorporate them into my music.

I’ve messed around with the samples and applications in stand alone mode and really liked them. So whatever other additions I make to my setup I want to make sure that they work well with the Komplete 8 stuff.

Also, I bet my keyboard skills make squeegee look like Franz Liszt.

I’m a Reaper guy myself; I love it. I never got on with Acid or Ableton Live and never made heads or tails out of Podium. I did like Adobe Audition. I’ve also used BIAS Deck software on the Mac which was pretty good.

I use midi to program drums and keys, within Reaper. I have both Addictive Drums and Superior Drummer. For keyboard parts I play and record midi and repair any mistakes later in the midi editor. I’m not a keyboard player so the parts are often pretty simple.

I use Tech 21 pedals or my Yamaha DG Stomp to record guitars direct. I haven’t had a proper amp in years; I only recently bought a Roland Microcube but just for practicing, not recording. For vocals and acoustic guitar I have an SM57 and a CAD M179.

For an audio interface I have the M-Audio Fast Track Pro which is ok for the job. It gets by but if I had endless cash I’d replace it with something better. Some seem to have bad experiences with interfaces that won’t work with their computer so just be prepared to do a bit of trial and error. I know when I got the FTP I was ready for the possibility that it might not like my laptop and I might have to exchange it for something else - but it worked immediately. A USB2 interface will probably be the most convenient way to get your feet wet. If you’re recording just one track at a time it will be more than adequate.

Besides the message boards mentioned above this guide has some pretty good info for someone starting out. Some of the equipment references may be a little out of date but it’s probably still worth a read.

+1 for Reaper. I’ve been using it for a while now for recording and editing, and I love it. I also use Renoise now and then to sequence software or samples.

I wanted to reply earlier in the week but didn’t have time.

Reaper is probably the best bet for the OP. Powerful, popular, and cheap. The downside is the UI consists of a maze of menus which really should be streamlined.

I currently use Samplitude. The UI is a complete nightmare but it has lots of features and interfaces with external hardware effects better than any other DAW in my experience. It is popular in Europe with mastering engineers and people who record classical music. Probably not right for the OP.

I used Cubase in the 90s but got fed up with MIDI timing problems. The last time I looked at their user forum, the users were on the verge of a revolt because of various problems that were not addressed.

Pro Tools used to require special hardware and was expensive but became the “industry standard.” I think they now have versions that can run on regular PCs but I see no reason to recommend it.

Ableton Live is more geared towards loops and live performance. Very popular but I never tried it.

**Podium **is pretty obscure and may be dying. Not a good bet at this point.

**Reaper ** is a tracker which I also use occasionally. It is totally inappropriate for a guitar player like the OP.

You’re talking about Renoise, right? Just to clear up any confusion.

I’ve been using Sonar for quite a few years, which I like quite a bit.

Digital Performer’s latest iteration is now out for PC (used to be a Mac-only bit of software), and I have always liked their workflow.

Presonus is a relative newcomer to the DAW stage, with their Studio One, but it’s gotten great reviews (particularly their 2.0 version).

Most interfaces will come with light versions of different DAWS for ‘free’. So, depending on how much functionality/how many tracks you need, that could help inform your decision. Lexicon products seem to be shipping with Cubase, PreSonus interfaces ship with Studio One, M-Audio interfaces ship with Protools LE, etc etc.

Oops. Yes, I definitely meant Renoise.

It’s true that Zynewave is a one man shop. And if anything happens to that one guy, Podium goes away. But I’m less worried about obsolescence with Podium than I would be with Logic, ProTools, or several other DAWs for the following reasons:

(1) It’s for Windows, and the Windows team has a pretty good track record providing backwards compatibility for old programs.

(2) Podium has already made the jump to 64-bit and Unicode, so it’s going to remain viable in the immediate future.

(3) There’s no DRM in Podium. You don’t need an iLok and you don’t need to register the software online to make it work. You can install Podium as often as you want on as many computers as you want, and it just works. There’s not many other DAWs you can say that about (Reaper is the only one I’ve personally come across).

So, regardless of what happens to Zynewave, I’m pretty confident that I won’t lose access to my session files through obsolescence (which is always my biggest fear using computer software).

It’s not just a one-man shop, the developer is no longer developing it full time. So it will not be improving as quickly as it used to.

There are other Windows DAWs without DRM:

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[li]SawStudio [/li][li]Rax’n’Trax - a free specialized DAW that was inspired by analog step sequencers.[/li][/ul]

Both of these are also one-man shops.