Religous Identification by Sight?

This Q will probably end up in Great Debates, but I can’t stand that section because everything there devolves into an intellectual pissing contest. Therefore, I’ll post it here in the hopes of generating some thoughtfull discussion first. Anyways, the situation is this:

I’m reading Hannibal, the sequel to Silence of the Lambs. The book makes an interesting assertation. Apparently, it claims, many Protestants can tell what sect a person belongs to by sight alone. In the book, Clarice Starling, who is a Lutheran, looks at a woman she is going to interview and figures “Church of Christ, or Nazarene at the outside.” She doesn’t ask the woman, though, and the whole thing doesn’t seem to be important to the plot. FWIW, the author claims that Carribean islanders have a similar trick; they can often tell what island someone is from without asking.

Is this ability real, or mostly in the author’s mind? Can anybody out there do this reasonably well? I’m Catholic, and I’ve never experienced this ability myself. However, I can usually identify a person’s race over the telephone, so I’m willing to believe that there may be visual cues in the way a person dresses or acts that an observant person may be able to pick up on. What do the rest of you dopers say?

I don’t think this can be done. I’ve heard that Islanders can tell what Island other Island-types are from, but that’s easy, since growing up in different small isolated groups would tend to make you different.

But how could you tell someone is a Methodist? Baptist? That’s a small (but important to some) part of your life. It’s easy to tell if a person is a devout follower of a certain religion (Christian, Muslim, Jew I’m familiar with, all celebrate certain holidays, ect…) Certain sects (denominations) would have different intreptations of their Religion. I forget if its Nazarites, but in one the women won’t wear pants, or get their hair cut short, men all are clean shaven, dress “conservatively”.

I can’t think of any major differences between Baptist or Methodist or Presybertian or Episcopalian that might show up like that.

I suppose, thinking through it, it might be possible if you’re VERY familiar with every sect or branch of a certain religion, but not all branches have such outward signs.

I know that Pacific Islanders, such as those from the Solomon Islands, can often identify what island a person is from by just looking at them. maybe this applies to the Caribbean too, but I don’t know off the top of my head.

For religious denomination, though? Maybe if you’re really observant, you can pick up some clues, but I doubt it’ll work very often.

And then there’s the joke about “pants so tight, you could have told his religion”, but I doubt that’s what you’re asking about.

White short-sleeved shirts, black ties, short haircuts? Bicycling around in pairs looking like that? You know off the bat–Mormons on the prowl.

Muslims may dress and look the same as anyone else, but one thing gives them away–the spot on the forehead, somewhat darker than the surrounding skin. The result of touching the forehead to the ground in prayer.

There are a couple of Christian denominations where women are expressly forbidden from cutting their hair or wearing pants, and some go so far as to require that women wear a headpiece of some kind (some at all times, some only during worship). So, if you see a woman with butt-length (or longer) hair, or similarly long hair done up in a bun of some kind, with no makeup and a long skirt, chances are you can think “Church of God,” “Wesleyan Holiness,” or “Hard-core Pentecostal” and be right.

Then there’s the Amish, whom I can pick out from a mile away :smiley: .

And I can point out Catholic schoolgirls quite readily from their plaid skirts, but that goes without saying…

A minister friend of mine, seeing a family in the library that was dressed very drably and had unwashed hair mentioned “Church of (I forget which, G-d, Christ, Nazarene)…they think it’s a sin to look good.”

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**White short-sleeved shirts, black ties, short haircuts? Bicycling around in pairs looking like that? You know off the bat–Mormons on the prowl.

Sorry, in the midwest where I live, that’s a sure sign of a JW (jehova’s Witness).

on OP, some cues can be there but, unless there’s specific dress issues (Hassidic Jews, Muslims, Amish etc.) I think you may be in trouble. Especially since most religiouns, although one often is born and raised, you can convert (who coulda told from looking about Sammy Davis Jr for example?);j

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if you see a woman with butt-length
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I absolutely love women with hair that long! I wish there were more of them! Maybe Christianity has more going for it than I realized.

Rastahomie, I would like to know which church has women with butt-length or longer hair. I would go there! But it should be one where they leave it loose and hanging down full-length like Rapunzel, not all done up in a bun. And if their church requires them to keep it unwashed, I’m not interested!

Yeah, I didn’t know which one either, and my wife, at the time, was asleep. I think she’s asleep again. :smiley:

I can do this most of the time. I am a cajun person living in southern louisiana. The majority of the population is either french/catholic or english/baptist/pentacostal. It usually only takes me about 5 minutes to know what religion a person is. This is probably a subconcious recoginition of genetics, accent, and mannerisms.

Take the guy whose picture is next to “ofay” in the dictionary. Now use electric probes to send 10,000 volts of juice to clench his anus that much tighter. Now put a predatory-bird look on his face. There! Those are the proselytizing Mormons spreading the word in my neighborhood here in Boston.

Well, well, well. I don’t wear makeup, except for rare events wear i have to dressing in coustume, like when i am a bridesmaid. I almost always wear ankle lenght skirts and have long, butt-lenght hair often done up in a bun. I even wear comfortable black shoes and opaque black trouser socks instead of heels and pantyhose. BUT i am not a christian. I grew up going mainly to a baptist church but escaped baptism. I eventually left the christian faith entirely.

hijack!!

I once ordered the book of mormon for free. The sent it and were nice enough to send it without sending anyone to pester me.

A few years later we moved to a different city and i ordered a King James bible from them and asked to be pestered. Hubby likes to discuss religion everyonce in a while.

On the day we expected them I had hubby make lemonade. Boy were they surprised when we offered them some. Hubby was listenening to one when the other noticed the book of mormon on the shelf. He went pale. He asked about how we got it. and looked around the apartment. The look on his face seemed to say “where did you hide the last set of us that visited us.”

Having converted to Judaism, I’m a little out of practice, but at one time, I could make a fair guess about the religious affiliation of others based on dress and appearance – indeed, a friend of mine and I used to do it for sport when we were out at certain restaurants. The cues I used were no doubt somewhat regionally determined – I doubt I’d have done as well in the Upper Midwest, North, or West, but in Arkansas or in outlying suburbs of Atlanta it wasn’t too tough. Some groups (Assembly of God, Church of Christ, Nazarene, Pentecostal) can be fairly readily identified at any time, for reasons alluded to above: specifics of women’s hairstyles, types of dresses worn (no pants on women on scriptural grounds), etc. Baptists are a little less obvious, but can be readily distinguished from the former groups, and generally are somewhat different from Methodists, Presbyterians, and Episcopalians. On a Sunday, however, you can make even finer distinctions, being able to tell the Presbyterians from the Methodists from the Episcopalians fairly reliably.

Understand that aside from a few prescribed (or proscribed) modes of dress and appearance, these are mostly socio-economic distinctions, and have little or nothing to do with the tenets of a particular denomination. For most Southerners and Appalachians, particularly those in small towns, denominational affiliation is as much a matter of who your family is, whether you own property, and what you do for a living as it is about doctrinal differences. And these distinctions depend on being in a place that is large enough to support multiple congregations (the smallest communities often have only one church, whose denomination shifts to that of each new minister, the congregation having to take whomever they can find), but also small enough not to become “cosmopolitan”, where numerous other opportunities for group affiliation dilute the effect. Social scientists have frequently described what are called “group contrast effects”, where people who are divided up into initially arbitrary groups soon develop distinct identities, distinguishing themselves from other groups by emphasizing whatever differences they can come up with, however slight these difference may have originally been.

As for the relevance of Clarice Starling’s mental assessment of the woman, while it may do nothing to advance the plot, it does suggest things about her character. I’ve only seen the film version of Silence of the Lambs, having read neither of the novels, but as I recall Clarice is from small-town West Virginia (doesn’t Hannibal Lecter play on her insecurity about this at one point?). An intelligent, observant child in such circumstances is intensely aware of the finely distinguished social strata in the community; such awareness is a necessary precondition to defining oneself against those one wishes to leave behind. The Lutheran bit is a little surprising to me, as Lutherans who aren’t transplants are pretty thin on the ground in the parts of the South and Appalachia I’m familiar with (outside of a few areas settled primarily by German immigrant farmers, like around Stuttgart, Arkanssas). Is this explained or dealt with elsewhere?

Yep, Lecter plays on the fact that Clarice came from a poor “white-trash” background.

Clarice Starling was raised in a Lutheran orphanage for a significant part of her childhood. IIRC, her father was killed when Clarice was fairly young. Her mother sent her to some other relatives. I don’t recall what happened to mom (she isn’t very important in the book), but after that whole lamb incident, Clarice was sent to the Lutheran orphanage, where she stayed until she was grown up.

The real answer: It’s tattooed on the back of their necks.

One slice of strawberry tart without so much rat in it
later…

As a card-carrying Mormon guy, I do notice one thing about us LDS folk - You may know that when a practicing member receives his/her endowment in the temple, they make a covenant to wear garments as a symbol of their other covenants they have made with God. While they are basically a t-shirt and boxers, often the neck is scooped quite a bit, presumably so it isn’t visible under a short sleeve dark colored shirt. But when a white shirt is worn (especially a dress shirt), it is quite obvious who has the “eternal smile” by the distinctive collar underneath the shirt. Much more noticeable than a regular t-shirt or a “Guido” shirt.

That is why you see many fine looking LDS ladies wearing rather conservative dresses that go no higher than the knee and will always have at least short sleeves: the garments preclude wearing of sleeveless dresses or miniskirts (damn! the sacrifices I have to make while fraternizing with my sisters in the faith!)

Phouchg

“Ball, get out of my nachos!” - Biff Henderson

You can spot a lot of people on Ash Wednesday by the ash on their forehead.

You can spot churchgoers on sunday because the women wear hats.

You can tell a priest and many nuns by the clothes. For nuns, you can sometimes tell the order.

If you see a guy with a shaved head and saffron robe at the airport, that means something too, but I never get close enough to figure out what.