Republican attacks on election integrity take their toll

What I saw from an LSU Tigers right-leaning message board was that “we could cheat too if we wanted to but we had the integrity not to, so we’re always at a disadvantage because we play clean and fair.” (paraphrased)

…and that it all was done with such incredible skill that it does not appear they even cheated, even under the scrutiny of Trump-appointed judges.

Yes! Why doesn’t someone ask him some form of:

You had the entire DOJ and military at your disposal, and yet you were not able to stop the alleged stolen election. Why should anyone vote for you when you were too weak and incompetent to protect democracy when America needed you most?

Ah yes, the Bromden approach.

Wthdrawn

Sure they will, although not for that reason. Some true swing voters will vote for Trump because Biden’s performance in office disappointed them. Or maybe because they never vote for the same person twice. Or maybe because they think Trump learned some kind of lesson from being indicted. Or any one of a dozen other bad reasons I could dream up.

Everyone knows DJT is a sore loser. And by Labor Day next year Trump may actually not be taking about that a lot, as he will be on to some other attention-getting outrageous statements.

Now, it is true that thousands of Trump supporters will stay home because of thinking the system is rigged. There is a sense i which Trump’s being Trumpy does make him a weak candidate. Of course, Biden also has electoral weaknesses.

How about attacking voting-by-mail during a pandemic? :grin:

…and that it was all put in place in the preceding four years, while Trump was in office, because the nefarious network would have surely rigged the 2016 for Hillary if it had existed at the time.

For a normal politician, this is a softball. Just ignore the snarky part of the question and repeat your memorized answer to the why-should-I-vote-for-you question.

Trump, bring abnormal, might use it to attack Bill Barr. That probably wouldn’t hurt him. If he swallowed the bait and attacked the Joint Chiefs of Staff for not having overturned the election results, that could lose him votes. But Trump is smart enough to rarely cross the invisible lines past which he would actually suffer for playing the villain.

I’d still like to hear someone ask it, perhaps with the snark dialed down.

Absolutely false, otherwise attacking a tortured POW with “I prefer people that don’t get captured” would have sunk him beneath the Atlantic like a billionaire with too little sense. Trump is an insult-filled, syphilis-ridden, adderal-addicted narcissistic asshole who happily jumps across those invisible line. And his supporters gleefully cheer for him, not in spite of those statements, but because of them. A significant portion of the US populace LIKES raging assholes, and will literally go to prison for them, if only so they can live vicariously through them, able to enjoy being a bastard without suffering the consequences they know they’d catch if they acted that way.

I was thinking of how he avoids the worst traditional slurs, instead using ones that are rare, or even maybe original (Pocahontas, shithole countries).

Many vote for him while saying he goes too far. But I’m wondering if the POW slur was a real example of that. Almost all voters must know at some level that both Biden and Trump were draft evaders. Biden may have had an idealistic motive, but that’s impossible with Trump. The POW slur, and, hate to say it, maybe even the gold star mother slur, let Trump tell borderline supporters that he knows they know he evaded out of selfishness, and that they don’t like it, but he’s going to allow them to congratulate themselves for finding the evidence.

When I write something like this, someone may pop up and say to stop the four dimensional chess nonsense. But there is a big difference between chess and being attuned to your audience.

P.S. Looking at your post and mine, we aren’t totally disagreeing, except that I don’t like insulting his supporters, especially those who are on the fence.

To be fair, they had been too weak and incompetent to protect America the entire preceding four years.

while voting by mail himself!

What does Biden have to do with Trump attacking McCain or Gold Star families? What does Biden have to do with Trump announcing his candidacy by calling Mexicans rapists and murderers? Why are you bringing up Biden when Trump is saying there’s no way Obama was born in the US, barely veiling the racism of that bit. Biden has literally nothing to do with Private Bone Spurs.

We agree that Trump is attuned to his audience. Where we apparently disagree is that his supporters WANT him to be that asshole. The last decade has shown us, very blatantly, that a significant portion of Americans delight in being raging pricks.

The “Fuck Your Feelings” crowd can cry me a river about insults. They happily voted for them and still fly Trump flags, so they can reap the consequences. If you’re (generally speaking) still on the fence about Trump, I don’t give a damn about your feelings. We’re literally in a thread about Republicans attacking the basis of our democracy, and you want civility. Civility died on November 2nd, 2016, and the final nail in the coffin was slammed home January 6th, 2021.

Wrong. Biden received student deferments, then a legitimate medical exemption. Trump fraudulently dodged.

Responding to the last post:

I’d admit that what I wrote cannot be proven, because it speculates concerning the inner cognitions of tens of millions of Americans. And on top of that, it speculates about what’s in DJT’s head.

We almost all know there was a massive attempt, by educated young men, to find something in their medical history to spare themselves the moral and physical risks of wartime military service. Obviously there also were men deferred who couldn’t have possibly avoided deferment, but that’s not what most easily comes to the minds if most of us.

Did Biden tell the selective service doc that he had a history of asthma attacks, or did he have a letter from a doc who was asked for it by the Biden family, or did Biden actually loan the selective service the thick paper medical records folders that most of our doctors offices kept back then? Obviously, the great majority of voters, including me, do not really know. And I suggest that almost all voters think it was one of the first two, and that, back then, the second (letter from the doc) meant no more than the first.

I was born in 1955, which was the first birth year from which there were no draftees. And I had a very painful heel condition for a few months when a young man. If you saw me walk down the street, you would see me going quite slowly and that something was very wrong. Fortunately I went to a good university clinic where I got the best (non-surgical) care. Do I think Trump was like me, except that he didn’t get successful treatment for much longer? Of course not. I suspect evasion, without really knowing, because draft evasion was massive, and I’m not sure what I would have done in the same position.

As for election integrity, swing voters are radically skeptical that any politician has integrity.

Moderating:

What does any of this have to do with the topic at hand, which is the effect of Republican attacks on election integrity?

Please make more of an effort to make your comments stay within the topic being discussed. You do have a tendency to wander away. Thanks.

I’m going to try to take this back to the thread topic, so this post may only be partially pertinent to what you wrote about my previous hijack.

But according to the AP poll, Republicans and Independents are almost identical in distrust of election results. So this is not really just about Trump supporters.

I do wonder how deep the GOP distrust of election integrity goes. I think very few Republicans are going to take the obvious action of not voting. The one person quoted in the article as refusing to vote, because of this, was an independent.

If I am wrong, Biden wins.