Republican State Senator wants to end mail-in voting

Yes, of course he cares. He was elected by a margin of 45 votes out of almost 73K cast.

I’ve just received an unsolicited email from Sen. Doug Ericksen proudly announcing his desire to suppress the vote by getting rid of mail-in voting. Here is my reply to him:

Your guy lost.

Stop trying to steal freedom from the American People. Stop feeding your failed leader’s false narrative.

If you think putting up barriers to voters is something an American would do, and if you support a would-be dictator, you have no business being in government. We The People will not allow you and your masters to turn the United States of America into a banana republic.

Sincerely, your constituent,

[me]

Nicely done. While I’m certain this is going nowhere, it would be good for this bozo to hear some push-back.

They don’t even have to do that. Simply process mail-in ballots (i.e. open them, verify signatures if necessary, and get them ready to count) prior to Election Day, then count them after the polls close along with the in-person ballots.

It doesn’t take all that long to run ballots through scanners. What takes time is opening envelopes and verifying signatures, etc.

There are no in-person ballots (In Washington). I believe they do process them as they come in, and start running them through the machines on election day. Our election was called this year about 1 minute after the “polls closed.”

Mail-in voting is not trustworthy and that’s why it’s banned in most countries:

"…Most developed countries ban absentee ballots unless the citizen is living abroad or require Photo-IDs to obtain those ballots. Even higher percentages of European Union or other European countries ban absentee for in country voters.

France banned absentee voting in 1975 because of massive fraud in Corsica, where postal ballots were stolen or bought and voters cast multiple votes. "

Yes, but the state senator in the OP was talking about the “disarray” in other states, where there is a mix of in-person and mail-in ballots. So if these other states process or count ballots as they arrive, they’ll avoid whatever “disarray” he’s referring to.

Yet it works smoothly in the USofA. American Exceptionalism!

Sorry, I was referring to the “other states” noted in @Dewey_Finn’s post, like Pennsylvania that had both in-person and mail-in ballots, but made it so that the mail-in ballots couldn’t be touched until Election Day.

Yeah, I wasn’t following the thread closely enough. My mistake.

Lie, Lie Lie and lie.

Most nations accept post i votes, it is not a difficult thing to determine. Here is the UK’s position

Every nation on earth that hold elections has had problems with both in-person and postal voting, which is why there is a whole raft of protocol and legislation to control the process.

Using the twisted form of logic displayed here would lead to the cancellation of all voting of any sort due to problems that have occured in the past

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

As we all know, the State Senator was talking out of his ass. But, a lot of the disarray in other states came because they were facing an unprecedented number of mail in ballots requested; were dealing with new policies, procedures, and laws around mail-in balloting; and were trying to run both a mail-in and a traditional election system at the same time.

WA isn’t going to face those problems because while there were definitely more ballots this time than there were in 2016 - it was still 100% mail in. The elections offices here didn’t have to figure out how to handle increased number of mail-ins, just order more paper.
Similarly, none of WA’s election departments and officials were scrambling trying to figure out new, possibly conflicting rules on mail-in voting. We’ve been doing this for a while here, the issues have been worked out. Everyone knows how things are supposed to work and behaves accordingly.
Finally because it is all mail in, it makes things easier. Ballots go out on a schedule. There was no worrying about requests for absentee ballots and balancing that against in person ballots. Or making sure that polling places knew how to handle both sets of ballots. Or trying to balance the possibility of people committing fraud with absentee ballots and people who legitimately hadn’t voted absentee (for whatever reason) and decided to vote in person instead. The elections departments were doing just the one thing. And statewide they did it well.

If anything, the lack of crazy that we saw in WA, OR, UT, and CO should be convincing the rest of the country to be moving to all mail rather than for those 4 states to return to a much more problematic election system.

People with map-reading skills sure take the fun out of being ‘cryptic’. :wink:

Ummm…No…Am I being punked? What a bizzare question. Did you see the source I posted?

Also worth noting here that the source quoted is very right wing, it supports gun law, attacks the voting rights of women by arguing that as soon as women were enfranchised the voting pattern in those states changed - I will just quote from him shall I?

Note that this is not merely a neutral comment on voting patterns, it is a slightly camouflaged attempt to paint voting by the disenfranchised as a tax issue.

Just to completely undermine this dishonest agenda ridden academic scumbag, its also worth noting that he also works as a columnist for FOX news.

It is interesting to examine the points that some posters make and then examine their cites and references more thoroughly than just reaing a meaningless opinion piece whose evidence is so full of highly selective remarks that the whole lot drops right out of the bottom of the net of credibility.

As an academic he should neither be for or against gun rights but instead to be intellectually honest and report - allowing the facts speak to speak for themselves, however he is known for skewing data, by changing survey questions between peer groups in the same study and selective samples and sample sizes.

I only looked at the map to verify my gut feeling that you had to be talking about somewhere in the San Juans.

I suppose they could amuse themselves by trolling Ericksen with amendments to pay the cost of all that infrastructure with a tax on guns, or churches, or rich people, or whatever would elevate his blood pressure the highest, before killing the bill dead.

I have no idea what “gun rights” have to do with this discussion of mail-in voting. Seems off-topic. But getting back on-topic here is Lott discussing his study of mail voting fraud. Let me know what you find to be incorrect:

“…Among the 27 countries in the European Union, 63 percent ban mail-in voting unless living abroad and another 22 percent require a photo ID to obtain a mail-in ballot. Twenty-two percent ban the practice even for those who live abroad.”

“…There are 16 countries in the rest of Europe, and they are even more restrictive. Every single one bans mail-in voting for those living in the country or require a photo ID to obtain a mail-in ballot. Sixty-three percent don’t allow mail-in ballots even for citizens living outside of the country.”

Well, we don’t cotton to the idea of living like Europeons. U! S! A! U! S! A!