Republicans' war on transgender people: Omnibus thread

Wall o' Text on Idaho case (click to show/hide)

I was writing about the complaint for declaratory and injunctive relief, not the motion for a TRO (sought because the government wasn’t going to file a response before school started Aug 16). As I wrote above, I skipped straight to the merits.

Plaintiffs seem to have all their ducks in a line already. They retained expert witnesses from Wisconsin and Kentucky and the pleadings reflect that preparation.

Mom’s affidavit in support of the motion for preliminary injunction contains the following, “Living in a manner consistent with her gender identity, including having access to the girls’ restroom, is an important aspect of the treatment for Rebecca’s gender dysphoria.” But she also affirms, “I have personal knowledge of the facts set forth in this declaration and and would testify competently to those facts if called as a witness.” Is Mom competent to testify on the importance of bathroom access to her daughter’s mental health treatment?

They have a doctor, but not one that examined Ms. Roe. Dr. Budge is an expert witness for the general case, not the specific facts.

Yes, there is another plaintiff and the injunction sought is wide-reaching. But there seem to be only two named individuals in the case, Rebecca Roe and A.J. The latter is a student at Boise High and president of co-plaintiff SAGA (a student association). He does not allege meeting with a therapist. He does allege working out a gender support plan with his school counselor (including access to boys’ bathrooms) which is great for establishing status quo for TRO/prelim purposes, but doesn’t establish much in the way of injury.

The TRO was granted. Neither of the named individuals have actually been prevented by S.B. 1100 from using the bathroom of their choice. Furthermore both are minors. So I’m thinking neither will be competent to testify on actual/future harm S.B. 1100 may cause. Neither seem to have a mental health professional lined up who has examined them and is competent to testify that the law, if allowed to take effect, will injure them specifically.

I think - of relevance if this case makes it past the 9th Circuit - Idaho will bring in adverse witnesses and try to establish that sometimes, people regret transitioning or that there are cases where transitioning isn’t appropriate. They’ll criticize the ‘consensus’ and probably win an admission that transitioning isn’t always appropriate. Then they’ll attack the plaintiffs for failing to prove that transitioning is necessary in their individual cases. Or at least that the state would have offered reasonable accommodation that would prevent injury in the individual cases.

In the 4th Circuit case there was clear cause and effect from the bathroom policy to the kid’s health. The kid had to testify about UTIs and suicide attempts. Plaintiffs in this case don’t have that kind of history, which is good, but it also means it might be harder to prove injury.

My personal opinion thus far has been that the strongest argument in plaintiff’s favor is that the law is purposefully discriminatory and disparately impacts similarly situated students’ mental health. That’s an equal protection claim. As the devil’s advocate… why not get a doctor’s note to establish that Rebecca and/or A.J. are similarly situated to the class of individuals whose mental health would be negatively affected?

~Max

Fox News contributor and NWA World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion says he’ll beat his children if they use pronouns.

He’s a regular on Gutfeld!

I actually don’t think it’s that - I suspect they forgot about trans men because everyone does. Instead, I think they might be worried about a double faker - the mythical cis person who pretends to be trans in order to win at sports, wins a bunch, and then “detransitions.” It’s an added level of paranoia from the usual transphobia

Or just being perceived by the bigoted as being Trans.

Just as a point of comparison: Germany has “approved a plan to ease legal changes of name and gender for transgender, intersex and nonbinary people.”

Those wacky and “woke” Europeans.

Virginia Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin has adopted a policy regarding LGBT students that’s ludicrously called “Ensuring Privacy, Dignity, and Respect,” which includes things like, oh, I don’t know, outing trans students to their parents.

But a lot of school boards in Hampton Roads aren’t having it. Virginia Beach narrowly defeated the policy just a couple of days ago.

I regret to inform you that yet another classic rock icon has gone mush-brained in his old age.

It actually happened in Iowa!

I would be sorely tempted to enter my kid’s approved nickname as “Mistress Genevieve, Source of All that is Good and Light in the Earthly Sphere” and then fiercely hold the school to it.

I seem to remember Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes fame) telling either his teacher or his mother something similarly flamboyant.

It would also be entertaining to collaborate with the other parents so multiple kids in the room have the same nickname “Scooter” or something.

“Calvin the Bold”.

Or “Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca Banana Fanna Bo Besca III”

The problem is this would mostly affect the teachers, who aren’t responsible for these asinine laws, and may very well oppose them.

I realize you were not serious, though.

…" Months after becoming the subject of an anti-trans media circus, a Missouri youth gender clinic is officially closing."

I hate everything. :frowning:

Katelyn’s piece in xtra refers to another piece of outstanding journalism that goes into detail the poor New York Times coverage of this. It deserves a read on its own.

Criticism of the (sadly paywalled) original NYT piece referred to above from fair.org. FAIR is quite fair and quite brutal.

(anybody want to gift link the NYT piece?)

Here it is:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/23/health/transgender-youth-st-louis-jamie-reed.html?unlocked_article_code=jxiB-D9zuWQaBFStTXhP1itMw8gX6MkzjcWppuBNKkRW80bNL89F7_qc9H8GDLfTVg2FBrKg5PON65EzwXxByKRs0pXJmXmAEfdxr5_VcdZfYJbh8BdIZ4wCARqZtCyZd1y_ZVk-qvgKQQKTrtgKgaxkFmWjvb67Km2HS0FX4sfhJMKV6mOORmYxGLfYPg1fGoxrwglvn4bRFxYYPjggyUGs41Qm__25Nd1vM_wMIdbu0jeCj3vjBhveSKaaP58WA95nZVw7HGkTbLyw8JTI65heQx0jegSUtyYaPym0aLqhlzBt5o3B-eJavQ_SYZyMvDLGjiCGqhpzd0USh-xNairAUXAUM6ymqzOsTKIo&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Let me know if I didn’t do that right.

THANK YOU BippityBoppityBoo!

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