The new rule:
This is talking specifically about when the excerpt is passed off as being a verbatim quote of another poster, isn’t it?
It doesn’t outlaw parody, (specifically when not presented as a quote and when unattributed) or does it?
Not trying to rock the boat here, just want to make sure I fully understand the rules.
Parody is permitted, as long as no name is formally attached to the altered quote. That’s our big complaint, attributions; as the situation stood, anybody doing a web search could have very easily come up with the altered quote, possibly without the verbiage that preceded it showing the quote had been altered.
Hope this clears the situation up for everyone.
your humble TubaDiva
Administrator
Thanks tuba.
Gaah!, my apologies for rendering your user name in lower case; no disrespect intended.
That’s it man, you’re banned.
Coldie forgot a smilie - I’m to silly to know whether his post was intended as humour or not so I’m gonna email the mods right now…
oh…wait…n/m
I am Oh. So. Tempted. to deliberately misquote you Coldfire (changing your comment to “That’s it man, you’re a banana” or some such), but something tells me that it would be dangerous even in jest.
One more question about parody, Tuba. Is it still permitted to make up things that a poster would say? Examples of this would be Fenris’ “the sdmb chowder and marching society” thread or any “unlikely doper quotes” thread. I know I’m picking nits here, but it might be helpful to have a clarification.
My assumption (Which Tuba or Ed can certainly come back and declare Utterly Wrong) is that the problem is entirely with the atribution, not with the nature of the text (I carefully avoid the word “quote” here, since that’s the whole bone of contention, both in the policy and in the thread that spawned it). If a piece of doctored text could be legitimately confused with an actual quote by the person it’s attributed to, then it’s forbidden. If you say, right up front, “all text made up by me, as a method of ridiculing Poster B and/or his argument”, then you’re presumably in the clear, provided that you don’t then claim you made up stuff to be actual quotes, or allow them to be taken as such through a false attribution.
Of course, IANA Board Administrator, so that’s just my interpretation of their concern.
andygirl; since the SDMB one trick pony chowder and marching society is parody (albeit parody of style rather than content, I’d interpret Tuba’s response in the same way as Some Guy.
In the original incident, the parodied text was within standard quote bars with the whole “originally posted by” part. I assume that any future parody should not be within quotes, and should certainly not have the original poster’s name attached.
Actually, I was gonna e-mail this to an Admin, but I just realized that at work, I can’t e-mail.
So I come to ATMB, only to find youse guys are three steps ahead o’ me!
I agree with your guesses that stuff like the SDMB One Trick Pony Chowder and Marching Society is probably ok, but until I hear it from an Admin, I’m gonna refrain from that sort of post, just in case. After all, doing something like…
Poster H (letters changed to protect the innocent): “I like cheese”
Poster Q: “That’s just because you’re circumsized!”
Poster 24601: “Javert! Javert!”
Poster H: “Camembert! Camembert!”
Poster Q: < mutters > “Only circumcised Frenchmen like camembert!”
…is technically violates the following rule:
(underlines mine)
So let’s see what the Powers That Be say.
(and as an aside, how idiotic is it to say “I’ve been defamed because my persona on a public message board was insulted”? :rolleyes: )
Fenris
Just as an aside, that post may have come across…um…snarkier than I’d intended.
I’d appreciate an official “They’re cool!” or “Knock it off.”. I’d certainly be happier if I get “They’re cool!” but if it’s “Knock it off”: no hard feelings, I won’t quit posting, no melt-downs, hysteria or any more than the usual number of “Coldfire’s a NAZI” posts.
As much fun as the Chowder and Marching Society posts are to do, I’m sure I can find some other way to amuse others (and myself) here!
Fenris
WAit-I thought Coldie was a Commie?
Now he’s a Nazi?
I’m confused…
How about a “disattribution” header? Something like,
not originally posted by Fenris
This makes it clear what you are doing while still allowing you to make your point.
You have defamed my character and made me cry. Unless I get a retraction, the words “UBER SPECIAL POSTER” under my name, and an Ice Cream Cone, I shall be forced to resort to having spankings admistered all around.
Fenris
An Ode to Fenris[sup]1[/sup]
Do you really want to quote me?
Do you really want to make me cry?
Your satire has Words that burn me
Dopers never ask you why
In my heart The fires burning
Choose my lawyer
Find a star
But the Admins always tell me
That’s a step
A step too far
[sup]1[/sup]Though not, of course, any particular Fenris and certainly not any particular Fenris living or dead. Nor has he, the one who has got nothing to do with this and who we are not referring to, ever written, or even considered thinking, any such thing (as far as we know) unless he, the one who we weren’t even remotely thinking of, finds it amusing.
I would applaud, but frankly, once again, you’ve wounded my fragile, butterfly-like spirit.
My professional reputation as a wise-ass has been forever besmirched if you can score points off me.
Therefore,
It’s pistils at dawn.
Flowers, that is.
Whassamatter? You back petaling? Trying to leaf? Let’s get to the root of the issue: don’t you have any stamen power?
Fenris, feeling punny
Puns are not the anther, Fenris.
**
No, I don’t. I’m just a lilly-livered pansy.
Anyway, your reputation is perfectly safe. What makes you think I was referring to you?