Neither of these are true about me, a proponent of better gun control in the US, nor a single one of the other proponents of better US gun control I interact with.
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Genuinely interested to know, what do you envision for gun control?
Except that, when it comes to the two concepts the word “gun” is shouted out, while the term “control” is whispered. When gun advocates speak of both sides equally and totally inseparable, there will be something to talk about.
I’m down but only if we require everyone to wear boots and cowboy hats. It’s going to make interviewing candidates for jobs a lot more interesting.
Better yet, lets not turn this thread into a gun control thread. I’ll hide your post.
Moderating done.
when you said “gun”, did you have a limit in mind…?
No, the Swiss require gun ownership for an actual good reason – it’s part of how their military is structured. This was also the case in the US when someone thought the Second Amendment was a good idea, but hasn’t been true for hundred of years.
This assessment is not entirely wrong, and nor is it obvious to reasonable people that the objective is entirely without merit. This is now trending into yet another gun debate in which I’m not interested, but what you’re describing and contemptuously dismissing could be characterized as an effort to wean the US away from an extremely harmful, self-destructive gun culture which has gripped the US in a way that is unparalleled in any other industrialized democracy in the world.
ETA: I replied before I saw the mod note, sorry. In any case, as I already said, not interested in a gun debate, I’m done.
All those conscripts have to go do 2 weeks of service every year. And they have to carry their SIG SG 550 with them. On the train. Supposedly unloaded. I saw somebody, in a military uniform, carrying a rifle within the last week. It’s considered normal.
And there may be low gun crime, but easily available guns makes suicide way too easy.
Between 1995 and 2003, 39% of all suicides among men ages 18–43 in Switzerland were carried out using a gun (data from the Swiss Federal Statistical Office). The military gun thus plays an important role in suicide in Switzerland.
That’s worse. You’re now a target that cannot take out the bad guy gunning for you.
A few places are talking about arming teachers. Bad idea for a few reasons.
Why make teachers even more of a target during a school shooting?
Do you think a school shooter will take time to distinguish between teachers that carry and those that don’t?
There are teachers I wouldn’t trust to wipe my ass let alone carry a gun in a school.
Just one?
I’m pretty sure that all of those proposals are talking about allowing teachers who choose to and have any required permits to carry. Like the OP, making it mandatory for everyone is a disingenuously bad idea.
The point being if I’m allowed to, no shooter is going to ask IF I’m carrying before shooting me in the face.
@Lumpy: I’m not sure if my reply to you would violate mod instructions, so won’t post it.
I’ll hear it in a private message if you wish.
I am very leftist (and growing more so by the year). I own three guns. They are all .22 caliber rifles of various types (my own is a bolt action which I love.) This year I think I want to buy a shotgun for home defense.
I have never ever wanted to, ever, ever, carry or buy a handgun. I have fired one a few times before at a range. They are hard to aim! And heavy! And my hand strength/grip strength is fairly girly.
Plus I am clumsy and forgetful. So do give me the handgun, so I can drop it in a school (I visit many through my job) or maybe forget it in the car on a really hot day and then burn my hands on the metal.
Robert Heinlein wrote a story where everyone either carried a gun, or wore a brassard to show they were not carrying (police were allowed to wear both).
It was interesting.
I suppose if everyone was screened carefully and got proper training, it could work, but I have doubts. There are crazier ideas out there.
You’re probably thinking of ‘The Puppet Masters’. Later in the novel, when the alien parasites learn to conceal themselves beneath their victim’s clothing, everyone was admonished to go nude AND carry a gun. Clearly not concerned with concealed carry…
I’m pretty sure, no no, I amend that to absolutely sure I don’t wanna live in a world where everyone is armed for no other reason than it’s a government mandate.
Too many folks slip under the radar now. This would add 1000s to the list.
Schools? Good grief. Guns should never even be near a school. Ever.
I don’t even think a school resource police officer should carry one.
We need to harden schools from entry as much as needed. As much as needed to stop entrance from unauthorized persons. Again, as much as it takes.
We can keep prisons secure. We can keep schools secure.
I don’t mind my grandkids being locked in if it keeps a shooter out. At all.
I’d rather have a kid ask questions and Pick up Mom being pissed than having a funeral to go to.
Sounds more like Beyond This Horizon to me.
I’ve rebutted claims that the novel Starship Troopers is fascist, but I wouldn’t know what to say about Beyond This Horizon. A later generation might have taken the premise and have it be about how the übermensch produced by the breeding program turn out to have serious flaws, such as a dangerous tendency towards psychosis.