Responses to a straight, white male complaining on these message boards.

Commercials too.

“I Love Lucy” was also an exception.

If I’m not mistaken, even some feminists have said things along the lines of: “Let’s not forget about our male children.”

But you just DID type out the “N word”. I don’t say it in a mean way. But if you’re reading The Color Purple, yeah, I don’t think it should be something that worries you to say. People should be happy you’re reading a book like that.

There you go again, worrying about what others are doing, when it really shouldn’t affect you at all :slight_smile:

Like what? That if, as someone else quoted, if I only like pretty women, I’m shallow? Well, I only like pretty women, and I’m shallow. It’s true, you can say it, and I’m over it. But I still like only pretty women and I’m shallow, it’s just that I’m okay with that. I’m white, I’m male, I’m straight, I’m aging, fattening and balding. And I’m okay with that. I do want there to be more equality not because I object to having anything easy, but because I shouldn’t have anything easier than other demographics. Except pretty women. I like them easy.

I don’t know what you mean by “forced to skip”? Were ya’ll going around the room reading passages out loud in class?

And sure, you can sing “nigger” out loud. No one is stopping you, really. It’s all about context. If you’ve got black friends who know you are “down”, no one’s going to say anything. If you’re just another white guy, indistinguishable from all other white guys, of course you risk ruffling feathers by saying “nigger” in front of others. Because there are plenty of people who use still the word in the way it was originally intended to be used. But if you want to sing “nigger” while you’re in the shower, go right ahead.

You say something like, “If you don’t mind, I’d like to pay this time since I asked you out and I picked the place and everything. Is that okay?” If it’s not okay, then you don’t ask her again because she’s likely an argumentative control freak.

Whenever guys start whining about their presentation in the media, I DO roll my eyes. Yes, you can pick a few examples of guys being “bested” by their smarter, more attractive looking wives. By the overwhelming majority of TV and movie characters are males. Heroic figures? Lovable evil villains? Males. Even when guys play the buffoon to women, they tend to be the star of the show while the woman are sidekicks. The Family Guy should be known as the Peter Griffin Show. I think women would love to see us made into buffoons if it meant seeing more of us.

I don’t think anyone needs to be made to feel inferior so that some one else can be empowered. So it’s unfortunate that you were made to feel this way. But the reason why “girl power” exists as a meme is because girls are not bombarded by the same subconscious messaging that guys are. How do you tell half the population not to be held back by negative stereotypes without singling them out somehow?

Perhaps it would help to recognize the reason why stigmitized minority groups are encouraged to be proud of who they is because they have been and still are stigmitized. Historically and currently, women have been made to feel bad for being women. (Haven’t you heard someone say recently “You throw like a girl!”) Straight white males do not have this stigma. I can only imagine how unfair it must seem to see all the different flags being waved to the exclusion of one’s own. But do you really feel like you need to have a flag to wave? A flag makes the invisible feel visible. Straight white men have never been invisible, and it will be awhile before they are.

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I just want to say… the fact that I included being “straight” was a mistake. I can’t think of anything I, (or anyone else), can complain about that homosexuals have some sort of unfair advantage over straight people.

That’s my experience too. I think if we were to dig out the actual examples of what the OP was looking for (I think they exist, they’re just not common here) we’ll find that the brush offs are more common for the whiny complaints. “Should the alimony system be limited to paying child support to the parent with custody and nothing else?” would get more reasoned and thought out responses than “Why aren’t these feminists complaining about only men paying alimony if they’re really about equality and not about taking the power for themselves?”

Haven’t read the rest of the thread . . . .

The SWM is unable to even think of interacting romantically with half the earth’s population. You may also be prevented from being associated with someone who’s non-white because of your racist friends and family. And you will never know first-hand the joy of womanhood.

And I’ve added a couple more: Being Christian, you have no idea how rich and rewarding life is, from the point of view of a Jew, a Hindu, a Muslim, an atheist. And as an able-bodied person, you can’t experience the challenges of someone who’s an amputee or has other physical challenges. You also have a “normal” weight, and are deprived of the challenges of being obese or anorexic. And as someone who’s mentally fit, you lack the challenge of having a mood disorder or lesser intelligence.

Poor you.

The word “ninjaed” - FootsZZZ had already noticed that his example was just a male thing.

Being told that you don’t deserve sympathy or aid because you are a straight white male, or being outright mistreated because you are a straight white male. Obviously.

Sheesh, it’s like nobody on the Dope ever read this article.

Which, I know isn’t true, btw. I first learned about the article at the SDMB.

ETA: not that the article isn’t true. What isn’t true is that no other Dopers have read it.

I bet you listen to George Winston records and drink Merlot, too.

Straight white man’s guilt seems to be very strong with the OP.

Yeah, I kind of feel guilty for starting this thread.

Here’s the thing. You can be male and complain. You can be white and complain. You can be straight or cis or rich and complain. Just because you have one(or more) type of privilege does not make life perfect. You may or may not get sympathy, depending on how serious the issue is and who you telling (assholes exist in all places).

What you can’t do is complain about the source of your privilege and expect sympathy from those that don’t have it.

Let’s take it out of male/female for a second. If a person complains about poor service at the DMV, or bad weather, or loved one getting cancer it doesn’t matter that they have money. But if they start complaining about how the luxury tax on the yacht they just imported is too high, or how being in the top tax bracket makes them feel persecuted, they will be told to shut the hell up by someone who has to take a pay day loan to get the heat turned back on.

This is especially true when it is phrased in a way to make it seem like the poor people are the lucky ones.

Just like any poor person would gladly pay a higher percentage of tax to live comfortably, I bet women would gladly have more silly women characters on TV in exchange for not having a 1 in 4 chance of being raped at college.

Ownership.

White guys haven’t taken any pains to own any conversations specific to the class.
I think there are plenty of conversations we can be a part of, however. For example, poor, underpriviledged. There are plenty of White guys like that.

I believe men do experience significant discrimination and we do have legal and moral right to speak up.

– Abused men do not get equal legal protection.
– Men are treated more harshly by the legal system.
– Male bashing is rampant, similar bashing would not be acceptable toward any other birth group.
– Men are discriminated in divorce cases.

When I have brought this up last year on a different board many animals have personally attacked me. I believe that as long as we have the First Amendment and Internet we should disregard the bullies who tell us what issues not to bring up.

Very few people understand what it’s like to be an abused man who does not have the same opportunities an abused woman or a teenager of either sex has.

In my own defense, I would point out the context of my post.

The thread specifically ask women about their preferences in the height of the partner. I did not think it reasonable to accuse them of being shallow for answering a question.

I think my post was as reasonable as the one that provoked it.

If that was at me, no I can’t stand George Winston, and I hardly ever drink wine.

I won’t turn down a glass of merlot if someone brings a bottle to Thanksgiving dinner, of course. But the last bottle of wine I ever bought was a chenin blanc.