Well, I did consider posting this on the “Religious Trollery” thread; however, this is the BBQ Pit after all.
Feel free to post responses to any bashings, not just responses to “Mormon bashing.”
Member posted 06-01-99 08:28 AM the portions between the quote lines (my responses are in between those quotations).
Then why do you persist with the bashing?
Perhaps this time with facts and cites?
For those without debating skills, perhaps; for the rest of the planet it doesn’t seem to be such a difficult undertaking.
And this shocks you for what reason? All religions define terms in their particular way. I wasn’t aware that was a valid reason to spout vitriol.
As you shall soon learn, this is false.
From a very casual perusal of the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, I find the following definition:
- **prayer  (noun)
[Middle English, from Middle French preiere, from Medieval Latin precaria, from Latin, feminine of precarius obtained by entreaty, from prec-, prex]
First appeared 14th Century
1 a (1) : an address (as a petition) to God or a god in word or thought <said a ~ for the success of the voyage>
(2) : a set order of words used in praying
b : an earnest request or wish
2 : the act or practice of praying to God or a god <kneeling in ~>
3 : a religious service consisting chiefly of prayers – often used in pl.
4 : something prayed for
5 : a slight chance <haven’t got a ~>**
bluebird, I specifically invite your attention to definition 3.
and also the following definition:
- **ritual  (noun)
First appeared 1649
1 : the established form for a ceremony; specifically : the order of words prescribed for a religious ceremony
2 a : ritual observance; specifically : a system of rites
b : a ceremonial act or action
c : a customarily repeated often formal act or series of acts**
bluebird, your attention is invited to the entire definition and the fact that both words predate Joseph Smith by quite some time.
That’s essentially what the component objects of that particlar ceremony are at the outset of the ceremony. For the LDS Sacrament Ceremony, it’s basically scraps of bread and cups of water; for the Roman Catholic ceremony, it’s unleavened bread, and wine mixed with water. The Roman Catholic belief is that the priest’s reciting of the events of the Last Supper causes the components to actually become the Body and Blood of the Lord. The LDS recite a prayer asking for a particular blessing upon the recipients of the components, which remain scraps of bread and cups of water to the end.
Mormons aren’t Christians? That would be your opinion, and a mistaken one at that. Just because they’re not your particular “flavor” of Christianity does not mean they’re not Christians.
Would this be the teaching of the sprinkling type of baptism, the dunking type of baptism, or the type of baptism which doesn’t require water at all? You see, there are various types of baptism within the entire Christian tradition and some sects consider some of those types to be invalid.
So you’re just picking and choosing stuff at random here?
For a moment there, I thought you were going to actually admit that it is another issue. (For those without a cue card, please see bluebird’s posting in the “Mormons and Mitochondrial DNA” thread, which I shall refer to as the “M&M thread” from here on.)
No, one issue is a practice authorized by the church leaders and the other is one prohibited by them. Since you evidently haven’t figured it out yet, the LDS individual who annointed your grandfather against his wishes violated church teachings. If you were to do some honest research into that fact, you would’ve discovered that, according to the teachings of the church, that particular annointing was of no efficacy. But I forget, you’re the one who posted “I hate mormons.” (See the M&M thread for verification.)
You posted this lie on the M&M thread; I challenged you to admit it was a lie. You’ve repeated it again in that thread. Here is the proof that it’s a lie:
- We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. - 11th Article of Faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
I recall that story. However, the JWC conducted themselves without hatred and bigotry. They debated their case. What you’ve managed to do is spew vitriol.
What part of the expression “all men” above did you fail to understand?
I think my earlier posting on the M&M thread showed that this is respecting the memory of the dearly departed. But, I forget, you posted in that very thread that you give gifts in memorium using the name of the dead without their permission so I suppose it’s not the actual concept that bugs you but the particular ritual that has you in a tizzy.
No; it does not.
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