Resting a rifle versus not.

Well, unless you’re about to use one of them for the Wild Uzi Maneuver.

Is that what Americans call the “Border Shift?” :slight_smile:

I’m not remembering that, but it is established in the beginning of the film that Munny seems to have lost his touch with a pistol,

Now we’re clearly supposed to come away from that scene with the impression that Will is just rusty and his eyes are getting old but,

And, as we see when Will confronts Little Bill and his posse in Greely’s, a drunk Will Munny just doesn’t miss.
I think we’re supposed to see clear contrast between the two Will Munnys in those two scenes. He really doesn’t want to kill Davey Bunting (or any of the other cowboys) it’s just about the money. While at Greely’s his entire purpose is killing, and nothing more.

Ned Logan too,

'Course we all know that when shooting a man while drunk it’s best to have two guns “One for each of you.” :smiley:

CMC fnord!
Cite for muldoonthief’s memory, still from Unforgiven showing one of the shots.

Jeff Cooper once said, (in reference to shooting a rifle), “If you can get steadier, get steadier.”

I do a lot of shooting on my property, and over the years have had hundreds of guests over for hunting and target practice. I am amazed at how many shooters do not to steady themselves when shooting a rifle. Certainly there are situations when no rest is available, and/or there simply is not enough time to assume a steadier position. But more often than not the shooter *can *steady him or herself using a variety of means, and they simply choose not to. I suspect one or more of the following reasons are responsible for this phenomenon:

  1. They don’t know how to shoot from a supported position (e.g. sitting and prone). No one has ever taught them.

  2. Inflated ego; they believe it’s not macho to steady their rifle. (“I’m such a good shot, I don’t *need *to steady my rifle!”)

  3. They see people on TV routinely shooting from unsupported positions, and believe it’s the correct way to do it.
    A couple of tips, if I may:

  • There are tradeoffs. If you are in the prone position, for example, you are very steady. But it takes a lot of time to get into the position, and you have limited azimuth adjustment of your muzzle and (usually) a limited view.

  • The most stable positions are the sitting and prone positions, since both elbows are supported.

  • If you are steadying the rifle using a support, always remember “soft-against-hard-against-soft-against hard.”

If it’s good enough for The Jackal (and Jeff Cooper) it’s good enough for everyone!

CMC fnord!

Well, that definitely makes me less annoyed at the scene. There’s a chance I was watching it in an aspect ratio (16:9) that cut off the bottom of the image.

But I’m not going to make any such claims, or someone will find a clip showing Clint’s whole body.

Not at all unusual. At the most famous gunfight of them all – at the OK Corral – despite their reputations on either side only Virgil Earp had much experience in handling a weapon, and that was because he was a Civil War veteran.

What’s that?

Is that similar to “rest your weapon on bone, not muscle”?

A gunfighter with two pistols switching hands between his empty and loaded weapons by throwing them from hand to hand.

I’d say there are 3 Will Munnys in the movie. Up to when he gets the beating from Little Bill, he’s just a washed up gunfighter who is trying to get back to his glory days. He wouldn’t have been able to kill anyone at that point. After he recovers from the beating, he’s a highly talented killing machine again, but without malice. He kills Davey, but has no ill will towards him - its just a payday. He doesn’t shoot at the other cowboys, even though they’re shooting at him - he even lets them bring Davey some water. After he finds out they’ve killed Ned though - then he becomes Death incarnate, killing anyone for any reason, or no reason at all.

I’d say not Ned. He’s lost what he had. He was having great fun on his adventure - riding with an old pal and getting advances from the whores. But after his first shot, he couldn’t take Davey out, even though it would have been easy for him to do so. He was done.

Of course, now I have nothing to backup my assertion that English Bob was still a gunfighter. He refused to take the gun from Little Bill in the cell. So its really down to Will & Bill.

The whole scene is on youtube here - starts about 3:00 in. It’s clear that Will is shooting from a kneeling position. Well, that or he’s standing on one foot with his other leg bent up in the air, but that’s too silly even for Hollywood.

Ah. No, the Wild Uzi Maneuver was something completely different.

See, the first production models of the Uzi were excellent weapons, but they had a tendency to go off accidentally if you dropped them, banged them or stared at them too hard. The Israeli military of the 1950’s and 60’s decided to see this not as a bug, but as a feature, and developed a special (and completely unauthorized) use for in in close quarters battle: a soldier would take a spare Uzi, load it, cock it and put the safety on full auto, and then throw it into a room. Hopefully it would go off and start bouncing around the room like crazy, either killing the bad guys or at least scaring the crap out of them. After the magazine emptied the squad would burst it, Uzis blazing.

Later versions of the Uzi had added safety features that sadly made the maneuver impossible. Still, that’s one reason someone would carry 2 Uzis - one to shoot, and one to throw.

No.

The stock of your rifle is hard. A tree is hard. You do not want to rest your hard rifle against the hard tree; you want something soft between them.

You can rest your rifle directly on something that is soft. But if you want to rest it on something that is hard, you should put something soft between them. Even your hand (Which is soft) will work.