See post #6. Nothing in the presidential determination relaxes immigration rules.
http://www.transformmi.com/Dearborn-House-of-Prayer.cfm
I heard some streets you dont want to walk down, if you dont pray to allah when the prayer starts you get beat to hell.
Quote from a friend in Dearborn. Link is broken now.
By the way what’s racist to not want the kind of folk that attacked the towers til successful here? Remember back when Osama was in Michigan and we let him go? I suppose I was racist for not wanting to let an enemy of our fine country loose on the world then also.
Not wanting to harbor our enemies is not racist. Wanting to harbor our enemies & arm them and give them money is stupid. Where do you suppose the terrorrists get their money? We give it to them.
Kind of like thinking gun control will disarm criminals.
Ooookay.
Originally Posted by butwhat
In our current financial situation, with our energy, water, environmental & urban sprawl concerns I see little motive to increase immigration in any way shape or form.
See post #6. Nothing in the presidential determination relaxes immigration rules.
That was a general referance to immigration at this time being foolish. Our environment can’t stand the population we have now. There is no reason to accept any immigrants til we get our ducks in a row.
Until we get the afore mentioned problems taken care of and become self sufficient allowing the illegals to stay and encouraging legal or illegal immigration is not in our best interests.
Kindly provide a cite for…well, for ANYTHING in this post. Are there police reports from the beatings in Dearborn? Is there a news article about Osama in Michigan? Because I can’t find anything googling “Osama in Michigan” that’s about Osama bin Laden being “let go” from Michigan.
As for where the terrorists get their money, Al Qaeda was started by bin Laden from his own fortune, made in construction. Now, of course, its continuing operating costs are paid by donations from people who agree with its goals. That’s a demographic we’ve had a large part in increasing in the last 8 years. And yes, we do give it to them, too, mostly through what we pay for oil.
What does that have to do with Muslims?
It might or might not be racist, depending on what you mean by “the kind of folk.” Your inclusion of Palestinians in that category because they are Palestinians suggests it is.
:rolleyes: Cite that Osama bin Laden has visited the U.S. since 9/11/01, or, indeed, ever in his life?!
And the award for Most Fatuous and Irrelevant Nonsequitur of the Week goes to butwhat!
You’re correct. Not wanting to harbor our enemies isn’t racist. The thing is, the Muslim population in general isn’t America’s enemy. There’s a segment of the Muslim population, made up of groups like Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or Hezbollah, and those people who support them, that do hate America, and we need to stop them however we can.
But the thing to remember is that people who think like the Al Qaeda people don’t make up the majority of the Muslim world. They don’t even make a very large minority of the Muslim world. Keep in mind that long before Al Qaeda even tried to attack the US, their attacks were against Muslim governments and Muslim populations.
Most Muslims, and most Muslims who live in the US, are law abiding people who want the same rights everyone else has. They want to worship freely, work hard, and take care of their families. They get involved in civic affairs, they pay their taxes, they donate to and volunteer for charity, they vote, they serve in the millitary, and Al Qaeda hates them just as much, if not more, than they hate people like you or me.
The German philosopher Freidrich Nietzche said, “A person has to be careful when fighting monsters that he doesn’t become a monster himself.” So, please, lets be careful that when we rightly criticize people like bin Laden and his followers that we don’t also falsely criticize innocent Americans because of their ethnicity or religious membership.
We have no real need to allow immigration of any kind in our present financial situation. Kinda like I don’t like the Brother-in-law and he definately ain’t staying here while we’re strapped for cash.
Ask the Lebanese, the french & the english how they feel about welcoming the Moslems now.
24/7 Prayer Tower Planned for Dearborn
Dearborn Michigan has the unique title of “the little Gaza.” Here within the state of Michigan we have the largest settlement of Muslims this side of the Middle East. Because of the thousands of Muslims from Iraq and the Middle East that have settled within Michigan, there is an increasing potential for a great Islamic uprising in this region.
In the City of Hamtramck, Michigan, just east of Dearborn, two years ago the call to Muslim prayer was passed by voters. Hamtramck now has the distinction of being the first city within the United States that has permitted the Islamic call to prayer. Five times a day through loud speakers from Islamic Mosques, prayers to Allah are being released into the airways of our state. These prayers to Allah are impacting the atmosphere and the anti-Christ spirit and mindset is being tolerated. It is even being embraced by the people of our nation, while our Christian rights and heritage are being challenged in the courts and our rights are slowly being taken from us. Our response as the church can not be to stand by apathetically and allow the Islamic agenda to advance.
Recently, Lou Engle, The founder of the “The Call” and a powerful intercessor who has given his life to prayer and raising up the youth of our Nation to stand in 24/7 prayer visited Dearborn in April of 2007. As Lou walked the facility of Mt Olivet in Dearborn and climbed its prayer tower he felt a great witness within his heart that there must be a house of Prayer in Dearborn that will contend with the house of Islam! Intercession for the Muslim community is the mandate for the church now that must be taken seriously! We believe that this is one of the most important issues of our time not only for our state but for the Nation. We have the opportunity to help develop and support a 24/7 house of prayer in Dearborn at the Mt. Olivet building. We are presently standing behind and supporting home missionaries, Trey and Becky Hancock who have been working among the Muslims for over 20 years. Trey and Becky have a heart not only to reach out to the community, but also have the Mt Olivet facility going day and night with youth and seasoned intercessors that are willing to keeping this prayer furnace burning 24 hours a day.
In 2007 we were told that the Islamic leaders in Michigan have a goal to make Michigan the first Muslim state in America by the year 2015. We can not wait to make a stand against this in 2014; but must be vigilant and begin NOW raising up the standard in prayer seeking the LORD for the right strategies.
Our desire is to reach this people group with the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Love of the Father, and the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit. Setting up 24/7 prayer will be and is the first strategy in reaching this city. Our prayers will open doors to the hearts and minds of men and women that have been resistant and shut to the gospel. Our fervent prayers will release the Heavenly host of Angels that will protect us and our country from evil plans of violence and sudden destruction. As we pray passionately for Dearborn we will come into agreement with the prayer of our Savior Jesus Christ who said “Thy Kingdom come thy will be done here on earth as it is in Heaven”.
http://sixthcolumn.blogspot.com/2004/12/dearborn-michigan-americas-muslim.html
Jayjay, How old are you? Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? Osama was in Michigan, He was also picked up questioned and released. Many of Osama’s relatives were also here and flown home after 9-11
It might or might not be racist, depending on what you mean by “the kind of folk.” Your inclusion of Palestinians in that category because they are Palestinians suggests it is.
I’ll include anybody from the middle eastern region. They have done nothing but fight there for thousands of years. How could you live in that environment and not be goofy?
You’re correct. Not wanting to harbor our enemies isn’t racist. The thing is, the Muslim population in general isn’t America’s enemy. There’s a segment of the Muslim population, made up of groups like Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or Hezbollah, and those people who support them, that do hate America, and we need to stop them however we can
If we kick out Moslems, give them the boot, that are not citizens, the good the bad and the ugly will all go at once. If they are not citizens they have no right to be here. We have no reason to want them here. If they are good people they will fight to make their world better when they get home.
Originally Posted by butwhat
Kind of like thinking gun control will disarm criminals.
And the award for Most Fatuous and Irrelevant Nonsequitur of the Week goes to butwhat!
I see nothing flatulant about that post
Cite that Osama bin Laden has visited the U.S. since 9/11/01, or, indeed, ever in his life?!
Brian, How old are you? Do some research and investigate the first attack on the World Trade Center. Let us know what you find out. Who was suspected? When did it happen? - Just a clue - it was way before 9-11-01. When and where was Osama when it happened? Where was Obama when it happened? What happened? How many of Osama’s family were in the US when it happened? How many of Osama’s family were in the US when 9-11 happened?
Please get back to us when you are done with your homework.
So you think that US immigration policy should serve a Christian agenda? Interesting.
Okay, I’ll play a bit, this is too funny.
My guess is “not born yesterday”.
Yep. Michigan, the well known state in Sudan.
First, no, Michigan certainly aint. Try Indonesia.
And second, you’re honestly worried about a “great Islamic uprising”.
In Michigan?
At least, I guess, all the militia folks will have something to do.
Someone has to teach that damn dirty apes that freedom of speech is only reserved for those following the Judeo-Christian path. And by that I mean the Christian path. And by that I mean the Protestant Christian path. And by that…
First “non-Christian”, not even “anti-Christian” and certainly not “anti-Christ” considering that Islam considering Jesus to be a prophet.
Second, no shit we tolerate people who aren’t Christians or who are even actively opposed to Christianity. Welcome to America. I’m always amazed by Christians who evidently feel that the only real problem with Saudi Arabia is that it chose the wrong religion to base its theocracy on.
Bull.
I don’t think I’ll ever get over Christians who complain that they’re being oppressed because they can’t force their beliefs and culture down other people’s throats. You haven’t lost a single right as a Christian, not one. You are still perfectly free to worship as you see fit in your home, church, or any other bit of private property whose use you’ve legally obtained. Likewise, nobody is challenging your heritage. But to claim that the nation is a “Christian nation” via its heritage is absurd. The Treaty of Tripoli rather clearly demonstrates that.
And let me guess… you bought it?
That there was a copy & paste Missy. I can piss and throw shoes at all of them. The Catholics & their rabbit like behavior, The Jews with their land grabbing Palestinian oppressing ways. The Chinese polluting the world, Can’t slam the Buddahists much. Anybody from the middle east for just being goofy.
Ah yes. I hate Catholics! Always hopping through the forest, picking up the field mice and bopping them on the head.
Gotta hate The Jews, not some Jews, or some Israelis, but The Jews.
Jews sure are pretty horrible and evil as a group due to their horrible ways.
But at least they don’t abuse field mice.
That’s a copy & paste. If yopu had checked the links you’d know them ain’t my words.
But they do have really cool hats. Hate to bust your bubble but my Jewish friends are also mouse killers