Retroactive "Best Animated Feature" Oscars

Okay, so the Academy finally got a clue and created an Oscars award for Best Animated Feature. While I strongly disagree that Shrek was better than Monsters Inc., I’m more upset that this award was not created earlier, since IMO many good animated movies will never get their due recognition.

So, with that in mind, what if we could go back in time and award retroactive Oscars for “Best Animated Feature”? Which titles deserve to win, and why? And what about years where no animated feature deserved to win, because the selections all stunk?

Just to start things off, I’ll lob well-deserved Oscars at The Iron Giant, Toy Story, and The Lion King, for very obvious reasons. Anyone else?

(It’d probably help if I dragged out a list of years and the animated features that were released that year, but I’m lazy… :wink: )

I’m not sure I’d call this category “getting a clue”. More like, “what to do with all these movies that are so obviously for children - after all, they’re animated - that people seem to want us to take seriously?” My friends and I referred to it as the “Cartoon Ghetto”. In another thread I said this category seemed to me like Hollywood’s way of saying, “Well that’s a charming film, for what it is, but of course it’s not a REAL movie.”

Well, I don’t WANT to focus exclusively on Disney works, but not many other studios have made feature-length animated films.

I’d say the no-brainers include:

“Snow WHite”
“Dumbo”
“Pinocchio”

My personal picks would include:

“South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut”
Fleischer Studios’ “Gulliver’s Travels”

Chicken Run

I’d also throw in
Princess Mononoke
My Neighbor Totoro
and I’d probably have to include Yellow Submarine just because it went way out beyond the norm.

But… would films like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Mary Poppins, & Bedknobs And Broomsticks, which have live action and animation, fall into this new category?

And what about the new Star Wars films which I believe have more computer animation than not. Entire scenes are nothing but CGI; does this qualify theme as animated films?

And what about the new Star Wars films which I believe have more computer animation than not. Entire scenes are nothing but CGI; does this qualify them as animated films?

Here’s the problem with the new category: What if the Best Picture, across the board, for a given year happens to be animated? Maybe it hasn’t happened yet (debateable, of course), but that’s not saying that it couldn’t. Are animated movies now officially disqualified from Best Picture? Or does Best Animated go to the best one other than the big winner?

But if we’re going to have the category anyway, then you’ve got to look at some of the old Disney classics. Fantasia, Snow White, and Cinderella, for starters. Of course, back in the day, there weren’t as many animated features as now, so probably most of the early Disney cartoons were the best of their year.

I believe that the above mentioned works helped earn Disney a slew of “special” awards, a catch-all category for superlative work that is not pigeonholed to a category at the time. Shirley Temple got such an award for saving Hollywood from the Depression. The director of “51 Short Stories” got one, and so did Robin Williams for his ad-libbing the role of the Genie in “Aladdin”

Questions-

Was Princess Mononoke nominated for best foreign film? If an anime of similar quality was released, would it even be eligable for best animated feature, or would it get stuck in foreign?

I don’t see why it couldn’t be nominated for both Best Picture and Best Animated - it has happened a few times in the Best Foreign Language Category, I believe.

JB

Beavis and Butt-Head Do America :smiley:

The irony being, of course, that now that there’s finally a category for them, 2001 was a pretty weak year for animated movies. Shrek was clever, but not nearly as much as it thought it was. Monster’s Inc. was a fun kids movie, but I thought Oscars were supposed to denote more than that.

Jimmy Neutron? Jeez, Final Fantasy had it’s problems, (some inherent, some involved pissing off the SAG) but Jimmy #@!!ing Neutron?

And weren’t they only going to give an oscar if there were at least five nominees? Maybe that got changed with so many animation companies folding last year.

Actually, I thought Final Fantasy deserved the Visual Effects Oscar, but they obviously weren’t going to give that to an animated movie, even if “live action” movies use the exact same technology.

I understand the gettoization argument, but I’m not sure it’s reasonable. A ghetto is a huge step up for animation, it’s currently eating pizza crusts out of the Best Original Song dumpster. It’s not ideal, but progress is progress.

By comparison, look how anime has gained popularity in the last decade. Badly cut and loosely translated Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball Z were hardly the best examples available, and infuriated the old ‘no dubs, literal translation’ fanbase, but they increased awareness and broadened the fan base to a point where the companies who did it could release more than one or two series at a time in multiple generes. Now most video stores have an anime section that rivals the comedies for size, and the fanbase is diverse enough that it might eventually shake its ‘geeky virginal white guy’ image.

And the argument for it is not entirely unreasonable. Animation is produced in a radically different way than LA movies, even special effects based ones, are made.

I’d worry about ‘what if the best movie is also animated’ when it has a smurf’s chance in a blender of happening. The academy, as things are now, is not going to give best feature to an animated movie. It’s just not going to happen.

Likewise, I’d say anime, no matter how much a movie might deserve it, is not likely to show up on either Best Foreign Film or Best Animated Film. The Oscars exist for Hollywood to celebrate itself, after all. ‘Foreign films’ and native animation (even the stuff produced in Korean sweat shops) are tangentially related to Hollywood. Anime, unless name actors start doing voice work* for it or big movie companies start buying rights to it, is not. If it was a big enough hit, (and it would have to be a huge commercial success, not just a critical one) it MIGHT squeak it’s way into animated or foreign, but it probably wouldn’t win.

(Yeah, Disney bought all those Miazaki movies, I know.)

  • Which I hope doesn’t happen. Generally speaking, actors aren’t very good voice actors, unless they’re playing animated versions of themselves.

Was MH even eligible for Best Foreign Language Film? The theatrical version was the English one, after all.


“Is this a superviolent porn cartoon?”

I was going to write some responses to various posts, but Ura-Maru beat me to it. Better an animation “ghetto” than no acknowledgement at all. And I don’t expect to see an animated movie get nominated for “Best Picture” in my lifetime – that makes Halle Berry’s Best Actress win look like a shoo-in by comparison.

As for the argument about movies that contain live-action and animation (and the Star Wars comparisons), couldn’t you make a similar argument against rotoscoping?

Of course, there’s now also the chance that future “Best Animated Film” nominees will include stuff like Pokemon: The Seventeenth Movie or The Rugrats Meet Andrea Yates, but if Titanic could get Best Picture, it’s only fair… :wink:

I’ll give an honorary Oscar to Grave of the Fireflies.
Not just the best animated film I’ve ever seen, but one of the best films, period.

Nominated? You mean “selected,” don’t you? Either that, or you have forgotten that Disney’s “Beauty and the Beast” was nominated for “Best Picture” in 1992.

Or are you below the minumum age to post here? :wink:
Regarding capacitor’s post, the IMDb says
"1939 / Won / Honorary Award / - Walt Disney

  • For Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, recognized as a significant screen innovation which has charmed millions and pioneered a great new entertainment field (one statuette - seven miniature statuettes). "

Akira. The Lord Of The Rings for manga.

I’d actually have to nominate The Little Mermaid also.

And in the Yeah, Right! catagory, Heavy Metal.

Yeah, I meant to say “selected.”

In cyberspace, no one knows you’re a dog. :slight_smile:

Actually, I don’t feel the Academy is that far behind the times. Until about ten years ago, a best animated feature award would have consisted of giving Disney an Oscar for whatever their annual release was. That said, let’s consider what the theoretical nominees would have been in the last few years:

1991
An American Tail: Fievel Goes West
Beauty and the Beast

1992
Aladdin
Bebe’s Kids
Fern Gully: The Last Rain Forest
Rock-A-Doodle
The Tune

1993
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
My Neighbor Totoro

1994
Faust
The Lion King
The Nightmare Before Christmas
The Swan Princess

1995
Pocahontas
Toy Story

1996
Beavis and Butthead Do America
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
James and the Giant Peach

1997
Anastasia
Cats Don’t Dance
Hercules
Mononoke Hime (aka Princess Mononoke)

1998
Antz
A Bug’s Life
Kiki’s Delivery Service
Mulan
The Prince of Egypt

1999
The Iron Giant
Perfect Blue
South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut
Tarzan
Toy Story 2

2000
Chicken Run
The Emperor’s New Groove
Fantasia 2000
The Road to El Dorado
Titan A.E.

I’ll admit some of these are fillers. In fact go back more than five years and it’s difficult to even offer competition.

“And the Oscar for Most Sustained and Pointless Screaming in an Animated Film goes to… Akira!”

“Halle Berry HELLLLLLLLLLLP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!”