I absolutely and without reservation agree totally that, Rice said the riots were caused by reaction to the video." Yes John Mace, that is a fact. I agree. I take no exception to that fact.
Now try to find another attack on my facts, since this lame attempt is out of the duscussion.
Now I am correcting your “Rice said the riots were caused by reaction to the video. That is a fact” because it was the CIA that told her to say it. So it is you that needs to tell the entire facts,
Rice blamed the movie for the alleged crowd/protest preceding the attack because that was according to the CIA. But she tied no motives or assumption about the extremist that took over the attack. And that is because the CIA could not know the motives or the time spent planning the attack and if they did they did not want the attackers tipped off that they knew.
Did you want Rice to go outside the talking points if she knew more than what the CIA knew?
“sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that – in that effort” -Susan Rice.
John Mace does not cite the Rice quotes where she says what happens after the extremists 'joined the CIA suggested protest.
They ‘hijacked it’ Susan Rice said.
Nice try John.
Susan Rice still blames the extremists for hijacking a protest and then- then attacking the Consulate with heavy weapons. The protesters did not attack the Consulate accirding to Rice and CIA talking points. The extremists did the attacking and that is what Rice said.
She did not say what you have made up despite my providing transcripts of what she said, that if there was no video there would have been no extremists perpetuating an attack.
She said enough that you don’t need to put words in her mouth.
Why do you debate so much by putting words in people’s mouths?
Show us where she said or the CIA said that they believed that if there was no video there would be no extremists attacking the Consulate?
If my effort was to go outside the American Consulate and protest the video and bring only my voice and maybe a sign or American flag to burn, (no weapons) it does not make my effort the same motive and effort of a few who came at the same time and then hijack my effort by bringing rocket fired missiles and other heavy weapons and launch an attack that kills Americans.
When I marched in protest prior to the pending invasion of the Iraq war, there were a few members of the Communist and Socialist Party there which had a right to be there but their effort and my effort do not become one effort and specifically if acts of violence or vandalism breakout from those what I consider to be extremists.
They have joined my effort but they have ruined my effort by their joining.
So tell me John Mace if you somehow believe that an unarmed protester and a heavily armed attacker are the same and should be treated as equals in the eyes of the law?
If you don’t believe that go back and explain how your case this afternoon makes any sense at all, because it doesn’t.
Were there any demonstrations at the actual embassy?
(Lot of times, want to know something, I’ll just pretend I do and wait for someone to correct me. Usually doesn’t take long. Hey, its a cheap trick, but I’m lazy and search terms are hard!)
Hey, if you have issues what Rice said, take them up with her. I’m just quoting what she said. You’re the one trying to twist what she said into something she didn’t say.
Your OP, btw, is what might be called the Mother of All False Dichotomies. The alleged “extremists” were motivated by the video, according to Rice. It’s not an either/or situation.
But keep trying. You really are making the Republicans look good, if that is your goal.
To be clear: Republicans say that Rice claimed that the attackers were, themselves, motivated by the video. But what Rice actually said was that the attackers merely took advantage of a demonstration by others who were motivated by the video.
The alleged “extremists” were motivated by the video, according to Rice. /QUOTE]
IF it is according to Rice you could point to the transcript where she says something like that. You can’t - so it’s personal attack.
As far as making Republicans look good, I have asked this question of Republicans on another forum. Jeanne is a Republican. She can’t answer the question of find where Rice ‘blamed the movie’.
John Mace you sound just like her.
Here is what I wrote about her.
Behaving like a Republican also apparently includes telling people who tell the truth and based that on actual transcripts and the words that were said, that they make “Republicans Look Good”.
What you do not have is a direct quote from Rice, Obama, Clinton or any top official that actually ‘blamed the movie’ for the attack at Benghazi.
If you have it John Mace, you would copy it and paste it right here for all to see.
So let’s see the quote: “Fact Check” must have a direct quote.
What you cited is not a direct quote and in context.
The hijacking of a protest by extremists with heavy weapons is not blaming the movie unless someone claimed that the "extremists showed up because they were pissed about the movie.
No one said that and you have not produced it.
Why did you persist upon following the Republican talking points John Mace. This is pure Republican ‘blame the movie’ Talking points which are part of Republican Slams against Obama as the “Apologizer in Chief” or “Muslim Sympathizer” or “America Hater”…
I am now getting suspicious that you believe those talking points to.
There is a reason you don’t provide a direct quote and others I see are beginning to see through to your sympathy for the Republican ''blame the movie" Obama Bashing Grave Dancing.
This is all you got:
I’ll ask again… Where did Rice or anybody ‘blame the movie’ for the attack?
I have seen the movie being blamed for the protest that didn’t happen… but Fact Check Sucks because FACT CHECK does not acknowledge that the suspected protests at Benghazi were what the CIA said happened.
Look at your FACT CHECK… John Mace.
It is incredible if you ever believe them again about anything.
They cited Obama on the Late Show with David Letterman.
Here is what he said…
Tuesday, September 18,
Letterman asked Obama specifically about the Benghazi attack, and the president responded by bringing up the video. Here’s the exchange:
LETTERMAN: Now, I don’t understand, um, the ambassador to Libya killed in an attack on the consulate in Benghazi. Is this an act of war? Are we at war now? What happens here?
OBAMA: Here’s what happened. … You had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character who – who made an extremely offensive video directed at – at Mohammed and Islam –
LETTERMAN: Making fun of the Prophet Mohammed.
OBAMA: Making fun of the Prophet Mohammed. And so, this caused great offense in much of the Muslim world.
But what also happened, extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the one, the consulate in Libya.
BUT, … BUT… (do you know what BUT means? But what also happened, **extremists and terrorists **used this as an excuse to attack ..
And I thought Obama being a Muslim Sympathizer never said the word “Terrorist”…
I already quoted the relevant statements, that were actually in your OP. I’m not going to pay your denial game. If anyone else wants to champion your cause, I’ll continue the discussion with them. You have shown that you are impervious to facts. Let’s see if anyone else on this MB is willing to take up your banner and run with it. If not, you’re all alone in your beliefs, and you’re welcome to them.
What message was intentionally sent if she didn’t blame the movie or the demonstration?
That has to leave her repeating CIA drafting points that have to be blaming extremists since the movie and protest are not to blame.
Do you and Mace need to have a conference?
You have quoted statements that do not in any way shape or form reflect where Susan Rice blamed the movie for the attacks.
But cherishing a Republican talking point as you appear to want to do makes it quite appropriate when you walk away just like Republicans do when they could never find where Rice blamed the movie.