That’s good, we’ll just file this under violations of sections 2.1, 2.4, 3.2.4.12 and 11.1.1
Because if you want to talk about mission, the academic department in your hypothetical scenario has obviously lost sight of their mission. In that case, it’s appropriate to close up shop temporarily and reevaluate priorities.
I do advocate the death penalty for Penn State, but not permanently. I think one year would be reasonable.
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Really? There is a poll in the other thread where the majority of people oppose the death penalty. I also oppose the death penalty for Penn State, and I an neither a alum, nor a college football fan.
How many people to you think would agree with you?
That poll was created in November, before the Freeh report was released, indicating the extent of the institutional nature of the coverup. I think the findings of the report have illuminated details of the case which might impact the results a bit.
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Really? There is a poll in the other thread where the majority of people oppose the death penalty. I also oppose the death penalty for Penn State, and I an neither a alum, nor a college football fan.
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That poll was started back in November before all the information was out about the cover up. If you look at the current entries you’ll see people flipping their votes.
Does anyone her believe schools (HS and colleges) shouldn’t sponsor extracurriculars at all?
No. Athletics is, on balance, a net positive, and we should encourage young people to participate.
The fact that they make for an enjoyable spectator activity is just icing on the cake.
Let’s be clear on this: I’ve never attended a PSU game, I couldn’t care less about the football team, and frankly I’ve been pissy at the way the athletic department is treated ever since freshman year, when my aerospace engineering class was told we’d have to pay licensing fees to the Athletic Department to use the lion-head logo on the wing of a racing R/C glider in an intercollegiate competition for same.
I’d say the same about any other university.
I’d love to see a cite for any athletics revenue going to anything other than the athletics program, because frankly I don’t think it happens.
And if your focus in on academics and education, students that pick their school based on the football program are students you probably don’t want to have anyway.
Extracurriculars are fine.
The issue is when the tail wags the dog, and the extracurriculars become the focus of the school and not the education.
This has pretty demonstrably become the case at Penn State. I would argue it’s also the case at scores of other colleges as well.
It’s rare, but it happens at Penn State.
I’m under the impression that most programs at the college level run at an operating loss, and the scholarships for athletes come out of the general fund.
Aizle-Completely agree that “the tail wags the dpg” at D-I schools.
I am not necessarily saying football revenue goes to other things. In many cases, even the big programs lost money. The point is that schools like Penn State would have nowhere near the visibility, fundraising power, and cachet without sports.
Would you care to explain how this question might be relevant to this issue?
Many posters are claiming that non-academic pursuits are irrlevent to a school’s mission.
Is that right?
And Penn State will probably experience the downside of all that in the coming years even if they don’t get the death penalty. They’re going to have a hard time selling jerseys and tickets and getting out of state players and attracting donations. If one program is responsible for such a huge chunk of your publicity and fundraising, you’re in a lot of trouble if something happens to that program. And as far as that “cachet” goes, there are really only a few schools at the level of Penn State in terms of athletics and what it means to the school.
No, they are claiming that non-academic pursuits are not so important that it’s better to have a corrupt program than no program at all.
This is what I’m refering to vis-a-vis arguing what exactly is part of a schools mission. (FTR I’m in brickbacon’s camp)
ETA:Bosstone hadn’t posted when I wrote the above. I agree corruption needs to be dealt with, and harshly, but to argue sports and band don’t contribute to a school is silly.