Rick Warren, Saddleback Church

Ah yes, the new face of Conservative Christianity. A man so bold as to posit people ought to do something about global warming. A man of such love, he actually met with Barrack Obama. The new wave of the future the man is.

So he was asked about the Kill the Gays Bill in Uganda and boldly said:

“The fundamental dignity of every person, our right to be free, and the freedom to make moral choices are gifts endowed by God, our creator. However, it is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations.”

Absolutely! If a country wants to wipe out a class of people, that is none of his business, no siree! God’s teachings apply to the US only. That’s why He speaks English you know.

What a moral bankrupt! He is a minister but does not want to use his ministry to save lives.

Freakin’ wonderful.

Here is the link to the Washington Post. Excuse its primitive nature. My Link-o-matic has not worked in ages.


I’m not at all going to defend Rick Warren, but is it possible his church has missionaries over there? He might not want to be too harsh on the government is there is a chance someone’s life could be put in jeopardy from his comments.

Fuck his missionaries.

Not in Uganda; it’s a capital crime there! :dubious:

Pastor Warren has spoken out against the law much more since the Nov 29th statement. This puts the “political non-interference” quote in context adds a big But…
and as PeeWee Herman has said “We all have a big But”.

Parker need to get her Google-fu on.

Also speaking of conservative Christianity the Catholic channel EWTN is now hosting guests who agree with torture as a policy and they are just fine with that. Andrew Sullivan is having a fit.

Yes, I saw that on the Daily Dish. Why would one be a cardinal or bishop if not to scold the wicked?

Maybe they’re girl missionaries.

Or maybe they’re girl reverse cowboys.

Rick Warren was invited to start a “Purpose Driven” program in Uganda by its own (Anglican) archbishop, and he has referred to Uganda as a purpose driven country.

His mentor, Peter Wagner, was one of the primary influences behind the bill’s creation.

ETA: Warren has spoken out against the bill, although he refused to do so at first.

For the opportunity to bugger young boys with impunity, duh!

Related story.

Orombi is behind some of the recent developments in American Anglicanism.

From your story:

This is not just misleading, it is an out-and-out lie, at least concerning Archbishop Orombi.


So, without question the Church of Uganda and Abp Orombi are anti-homosexuality. However, they do not support the proposed legislation nor the adoption of capital punishment for offenders. Yet that doesn’t keep liberal Anglicans from spreading the lie.

To be fair, torturing confessions out of people is something of a Catholic tradition.

It doesn’t say anything in that quote or the entire piece as linked about whether the support the adoption of capital punishment for homosexual “offenses”, even if they do not support the exact proposed legislation.

Frankly, considering how horrifying that proposal is to any right-thinking person, I would have thought they would have made their opposition very clear.

Not explicitly, but they recommend shelving the new proposed legislation altogether and modifying current legislation to close “loopholes.” The current legislation does not include capital punishment.

The statement also resists the proposed law’s attempt to criminalize the failure to report anyone known to be homosexual. It asks parliment to “Ensure that the law protects the confidentiality of medical, pastoral and counseling relationships, including those that disclose homosexual practice in accordance with the relevant professional codes of ethics.”

The very idea of criminalizing homosexuality at all is abhorrent to us, and rightly so. But to say “Archbishop Henry Orombi … [has] been leading a campaign in support of the bill” is the opposite of true.

“Closing loopholes” suggests they believe the law should be tougher than it is. I also read through the while link, and I don’t see anything that even suggests that the death penalty is inappropriate. And while these church folk apparently don’t want to criminalize non-reporting by doctors or priests, it would seem ok to them if was a crime as far as friends and families go.

These people are seriously fucked up.

Skammer is correct. But my comment against Orombe, from the perspective of a ECUSA member, is quite accurate – he is one of several prelates who have backed schismatic movements within American Anglicanism. (Whether you approve of ECUSA, ACNA, or anything else, this is factually true; he issued a 2006 statement claiming that there was no valid Anglican church in the U.S.) It was the Times which described him as homophobic, an arguably accurate position even if he doesn’t support capital punishment for homosexual acts.

Three “loopholes” are named at the beginning of the document: 1) Protecting vulnerabilities of the “boy child”; 2) Proportionality in sentencing; and 3) ensuring that sexual orientation is excluded as a protected human right. It’s true that “proportionality” is not further defined, but it seems like they are suggesting that current penalties need to be moderated.

It’s still homophobic and outrageous, especially from the perspective of our culture. I’m just fighting the meme that Orombi and the Anglican Church of Uganda support the legislation that’s been proposed which is by all accounts much harsher.

I agree with all this, and although I share a certain sympathy for ACNA and have many friends in that church, I think their withdrawal from the Episcopal Church and partnership with Orombi and others has been a grand ecclesiastical error.

I would, but all they do is the same position every time.