Do you have a cite that gun death totals are rising?
Regards,
Shodan
The home front: **So many people die annually from gunfire in the US that the death toll between 1968 and 2011 eclipses all wars ever fought by the country. **
I’m going to go out on a limb here and postulate that the amazing number of guns in our society has something vaguely to do with the amazing number of shootings/woundings/deaths in this country.
Yeah, I know, silly me.
That’s true. And I am not saying that the increase in Open or concealed carry was a major part. But it certainly didnt increase the murder rate as DavidwithanR sez.
Sure. Gun culture is part of the USA. But that isnt what he asked, he asked "Do you have a cite that gun death totals are rising? ".
Because, you know, despite your statement that they are- they are not.
Your link doesn’t actually back up what you were asked for. If you look at the chart at the bottom (which is actually talking about gun deaths verse terrorism but is useful for part of what you were asked) you will see that gun deaths are lower (in 2016 at least) than they were just a few years before. And if you look over time you’ll see that they are much less today than they were in, say, the 70’s or 80’s or 90’s.
So…a ‘large number’ is 4 then?
Related: GOULD V. MORGAN which is another carry case is being argued today in the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals. Hopefully they read the news.
A lot of people were shot and killed when it was relatively difficult to get and carry arms legally? I don’t think gun rights advocates would dispute this.
Btw your war death total belies a nativist impulse to ignore enemy combatant and civilian deaths.
I think it’s more geared towards the British audience (since it was a BBC article), where they almost certainly think this stat means something different than my own take away. When I saw it I got curious, so looked up total US combat deaths for it’s entire history and was a bit shocked…at how low it actually is. For much of our military history you could count the number of deaths from ‘war’ in the 10’s or 100’s…hell, even the Revolutionary war we are talking a few thousand deaths (about 25k total). The big ones for the US were the Civil war, WWII and WWI (with Korea and Vietnam being about the same). If anyone is interested in this side topic, here is where I’m looking ()
That’s all I needed to see. You should be embarrassed to be citing that fraud and tool of the gun lobby.
Don’t confuse him with facts when he’s on a roll, quoting John Lott and all.
The perspective actually has a great deal to do with which end of the gun you’re facing. When lots of people have guns, you have a high probability of facing the wrong end. This is, in a nutshell, the story of guns in America.
Activism is generally associated with creative interpretations of the constitution, not with overturning asinine prior rulings. Activism is exactly what Scalia was practicing when he decreed that the “well regulated militia” preface was just decoration that could be ignored, apparently just thrown in there to make it sound more poetic instead of acknowledging it as a key phrase that spelled out the very purpose of the Amendment.
I’m sure that Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman would have had different opinions about that, along with thousands of others who have been in similar positions, especially in so-called “stand your ground” states.
Yes, very large as a percentage of the Supreme Court, since it makes up, without exception, the unanimous view of the entire progressive membership. Outside the Supreme Court, I base my comments on the amount of written commentary I’ve seen, none of which is immediately at my fingertips, and I’m not going to spend some indeterminate part of my life constructing a bibliography for you. I’m particularly not motivated to do this since experience shows that nothing that is said, presented, cited, or otherwise proven is going to change the views of the zealous gun advocate.
I would dispute that it was ever “relatively difficult” to get guns legally in the USA, if you apply the relative standards of the rest of the civilized world.
What’s particularly pissing me off right now is the completely expected and unsurprising discovery that the illegal gun used in the recent tragic shooting in Toronto was smuggled in from the US, where it’s readily available. This is not an isolated occurrence but an epidemic problem. Such is the proliferation of guns in the US that it’s not just a national domestic problem, it’s the epicenter of the gun problem in the entire continent, and beyond.
Perhaps their definition (and your own) is different than mine on what a ‘right’ actually is then.
Look, if you don’t have anything to backup what you claimed, simply say that. Don’t try a lame ass deflection by trying to paint me as a ‘zealous gun advocate’ who can’t be reasoned with, so you can’t be bothered to backup your claim. :rolleyes:
Damn, I’m glad I put my drink down before reading this!
Open Carry loudly proclaims to all who see you:
I HAVE A VERY TINY PENIS!
and
I AM INCREDIBLY INSECURE ABOUT IT!
Well, the idea that Lott was funding by the Gun Lobby has been debunked. Sure Lott is pro-gun, but he and David Mustard are degreed University of Chicago economists. I notice you have no counter-cite.
That is nice but it doesnt seem to be true.
So, you made a statement but can’t and wont back it up. Nice. And you call my cite a “fraud”. :rolleyes:
How about a grand compromise? Let states decide gun laws and let states decide abortion laws.
Mrs. dba fredericka and her gynecologist dispute this.
Yeah, that’s off the scale irony. I was thinking about that in terms of what Jasmine posted wrt 1.2 million gun deaths between 1968 and 2011. We are just pikers.
You know who else wanted to live piece-fully?..
So if I’m understanding you correctly, the process of getting a concealed carry license forces you to receive training and information that is important in educating people not to go around murdering people…so letting people pack heat around without such a license or training clearly is going to result in an increase, not a drop, in armed people who have had such education. Right?
Wrong. But then you knew that before you asked, so it was just an exercise in you attempting to score points, not a real question.