Ripping a music library from CD - WAV, WMA, MP3?

I’ve decided to rip our music CDs and put the contents on the MicroSD cards on our phones. The software I have on the laptop does WAV or WMA, and I assume I’ll want MP3s eventually to save space. Right now I’m ripping CDs to WAV and I have enough disk space for the immediate future.

Should I just keep ripping in WAV for archive purposes, then convert to MP3s using downloaded software for putting on our phones? Do I need to use WAV for archiving or does it matter? Recommendations for MP3 conversion software?

I use audacity with the free “lame” add-on to edit sound and create MP3 files. It works very well, and the feedback I’ve gotten is that my recording are of good quality. (I record live performances for friends.)

Oh, those are both free, and audacity is widely used, flexible, and powerful. But the learning curve is a little steep, and out may be overkill for your needs.

It largely depends on exactly what you are doing. Are you trying to archive your CDs to have a copy forever? Or are you just wanting to have digital versions to listen to on your devices? Or do you want both?

In the archival case, it is indeed a good idea to keep a lossless copy, as you are doing. However, WAV is a very inefficient format, as it’s basically just a direct copy of the CD. The better choice would be FLAC. I recommend downloading CDex (and avoiding any additional programs it tries to install) to extract files to FLAC. Just go to the compression options and choose FLAC at the highest compression setting, then choose to save a compressed copy.

For the second case, saving as MP3 is probably the best option. Again, CDex will make this rather easy. You just need to go into the options and change the format to MP3. The default options should be sufficient unless you have a device that’s really old and won’t play the files, or that has so little space that you want smaller files at the cost of quality loss. (If so, let me know, and I can help you pick the best options.)

For the third case, doing both is actually fairly convenient. You just change the options and encode again.

That said, you already have some files already saved. Fortunately, CDex offers the ability to convert existing WAV files to other formats, too. Unfortunately, I’ve never done this before, and I’m not at my Windows computer to check you how to do this. But I’m pretty sure it’s rather straightforward. I would guess you can load a folder like you would a disk, and then convert all the files in that folder to either FLAC or MP3.

Anyways, CDex can be downloaded here.

As for Audacity: It’s great if you’re just handling individual files, or have any need to make some edits before you save. But for bulk ripping and converting, dedicated software is a lot better. CDex is also free software. Oh, and LAME already comes with it, not requiring a separate download.

Even storing uncompressed WAV files a 1 TB drive can hold, what, 2000 audio CDs?

If you own that much music on physical media the cost to store a copy is pretty small.

The answer is probably both. The immediate desire is to get all the music we want to listen to on our phones so we always have it with us. Or at least all that fits on a 64G MicroSD card.

Long term it would be good to have an archive and get rid of the physical media, or at least move the folders of CDs down to the basement.

Thanks for the good advice.

I wouldn’t use .wav as it doesn’t support metadata/tagging. so whatever plays it on your phone won’t be able to sort them by artist, album, etc. honestly, years ago I ripped all of my CDs to mp3 using LAME with an ABR of about 192, and I haven’t found any reason to change it.

I personally still use the one I was using in 2001: Exact Audio Copy. It runs on windows and needs lame.exe downloaded, but stick a cd in, look it up on the internet cd database provided, and it will name the tracks. You may need to mess with the file naming format to get it how you want it, but it should be able to rip to wave, and also to mp3, and tag the information correctly (or at least name the file correctly if no tagging supported in wavs).

Wow, I was going to start this very thread in a couple of days. I’m going to keep an eye on it.

Telemark, I hope you don’t mind my using this thread to ask the specific questions I had in mind.

I have 300+ classical music CDs in my collection. I plan on ripping at least half of that, probably closer to 200. The most important criteria for me is to get the best sound quality possible. The next criteria would be portability/durability: I want to be able to listen to the music I ripped on as many devices as possible (computer, smartphone, online, etc.) for as long in the future as forseeable. Cramming as many CDs as I can only comes third, as I’ve often got several versions of the same work (say I have 6 versions of Beethoven’s last piano sonata by different pianists, I could live with keeping 3-4).

I currently hesitate between MP3@320kpbs or FLAC. It seems to me that while FLAC would fit my first criteria, it might not be as good as far as portability is concerned.

Also which converter would you recommend ? I have one at the moment which seems to be doing a fine job, but I haven’t really used it much so I’m not sure.

Finally, I’d also welcome suggestions on how to organise the files. My instinct is to go by composers but that might entail lots of sub-folders (Brahms > Orchestral > Concertos > Piano Concertos > Piano Concerto n°2 > Piano Concerto n°2 by Sviatoslav Richter. That’s unwieldy. But organising them by CD is probably not very clear as you often get mixed programs with several composers.

Thanks in advance.

Oh, if you have a mac, you can use iTunes. At least, you could use iTunes from the start of iTunes until the last time I tried it. That works very smoothly for ripping CDs, and automatically adds track names to most things. Again, let time I used it, you could easily change the default from ripping to Apple’s proprietary format to the more widely used MP3 format, and once you changed it, it stayed changed.

Based on your criteria, I would choose FLAC. Your concerns about portability are unfounded since it’s an open standard, and, in case you ever need it, a FLAC file can still be converted into MP3 or any other format, which does not work in the other direction.

You don’t need a Mac to use ITunes. I’ve been using it on my PC for years.

Great, thanks a lot.

Perhaps I should have mentioned what I use at the moment : Laptop (Windows), Sony Xperia (Android) and Google Drive.

@DPRK: Suppose I convert my CDs to FLAC and I want to listen to them on my smartphone or upload them on my Google account. Can I do that with the FLAC file or do I have to convert it to MP3 ? It would be easier to have just one, all-purpose type of file but, as you noticed, I place more importance on sound quality, so if I have to keep two different files, so be it.

Also, how “heavy” would a FLAC file be, based on an 80-minute CD ?

Your laptop will definitely play the FLAC file as-is, and I am pretty sure Sony Xperia does as well (it’s on the list).

As for weight:

Original file (WAV): 1411 kb/s
FLAC (compression level 5): let’s call it 65% of that
MP3: ~240 kb/s (the LAME extreme preset )

So your 80-minute CD, uncompressed, takes up 847 megabytes; as a FLAC, around 550 MB, and as MP3, about 144 MB.

A Flac music library will wipe out a hard drive in a hurry.

I found that out the hard way. I ended up converting them to MP3 at 256kbps. My Flacs are stored on two external hard drives.

MP3 at 256kbps is very, very good audio. I didn’t see any need to use hard drive space for 320kbps.

Not at all, the more the merrier. I’m learning a bunch from this thread.

IMHO: Buy an external hard drive and convert all your CDs to FLAC, storing them on the external drive (or drives).

Then make make MP3 copies for your phone, stored on your regular hard drive in the Music folder if you’re so inclined.

It’s worth it if you care at all about creating quality backups of your physical media. Might as well do it all at once.

Oh, I agree: if all you want to do is listen to it, the MP3 generated by “lame --preset extreme” sound fine, and it’s not like devices will forget how to play MP3 files 10 or 20 years from now. That said, given that you can store 1 TB on a thumb-drive that fits in your pocket today, I’m not sure Les Espaces Du Sommeil needs to eke out every bit of space for his/her mere 300 CDs so that the space difference between MP3 and FLAC matters that much, in which case he/she may as well save to FLAC as it is more flexible.

Anyway, once one does have a 1+ TB music library, don’t forget your backup strategy :slight_smile:

I use dbpoweramp - it can rip in two formats at the same time. So I have a lossless archive and an mp3 library for my portable devices. Works great.

https://www.dbpoweramp.com/

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