There’s a small chance the RNC would hire competent lawyers.
It’s probably more that competent lawyers won’t work for Jones.
Trump is facing the same problem, poor guy /s
It sure seems to me that they’re angry because they lied in an attempt to trick them, not merely that they got the mail at all. And they suggested that, since they lied for gain, that it should be fraud.
I wish it were. Or at least that it was illegal. I’ve seen worse. They will try and convince you that their mail is from the government, that you have a check coming, that you must reply or you’ll lose your insurance, and so on. Sure, I’m not dumb enough to fall for it, but I wonder about certain older people who seem to believe everything they see in print.
I could definitely see some people falling for this. I still marvel at how often my dad has to ask me if stuff is legit or not. And he’s actually more wary than a lot of people I know.
At least it would likely only boost their numbers in polls, and not actually result in more votes. It’s not like the mailers that went around telling people that the voting day had changed or anything like that.
This is pretty much it JohnT. They lied to try to defraud me and presented false information about myself.
Let’s say I’m a roofing company, and send letters out to everyone saying that we have information about your roof, and it really needs to be replaced. And we can do it for x$'s.
But they have no information about my roof. In fact it was just replaced.
Would that not be fraud?
Nope. That sounds like the BS mortgage relief offers we get on a daily basis. They claim to have info about our mortgage but don’t. Or what about the junk mail that says, “This is your final notice!” It does all it can to make it look like a delinquent bill; pink paper, “urgent” warnings. You open it up and it’s offering to help you get out of debt or whatever.
Another frequent tactic is junk mail that uses the same fonts and language you’d see on an official government form, like something from the IRS.
They are disgusting and misleading and not illegal. There’s a reason advertisers often have a bad reputation, like lawyers and politicians. They are skilled at pushing the envelope (no pun intended) without actually falling into fraud territory.
Then why gripe about this mail that uses the same tactics as all the other junk mail senders? As I cited, on average people get 4 of these things a day. They aren’t all as deceptive but many of them are.
I encourage everyone to familiarize themselves with the concept of a “Push Poll”.
I was the subject of a very sophisticated one once. I don’t usually answer the phone for unknown incoming calls, but once in a blue moon if I’m feeling feisty I will. This one started off with very generic questions which made it feel like an actual poll, but then it eventually descended into loaded questions intended to influence.
This sounds like the mailers we get every summer:
Due to the recent hailstorm, your roof needs to be replaced. Call now!
(No hailstorm, let alone damage, in my immediate area.)
Doesn’t meet the legal definition of fraud, though.
Yeah, I actually started answering one of these years ago (on the phone), and when I said I was not opposed to abortion, the questionner made some comment about the babeeeeees, and terminated the call.
Nope, it doesn’t.
But I want to stress they still irritate the crap out of me.
What really irritates me is that I live in a housing development where all of the houses were built by the same company, very tightly packed together on small plots of land. Even though we have houses, because there are so many places so close together we have the kind of mailboxes you’ll see in apartment living. About 40 little mailboxes at a time all squished together in one clump here and there throughout the neighborhood, and you need a key to open them. They look a lot like this (except outdoors):
Those tiny mailboxes fill up fast. It is a pain to pull out a pile of mail stuffed into that tight spot, sort through it, and realize that none of it is a legitimate piece of mail. They are all ads, half of them really scummy misleading ones that pretend to be something they aren’t.
Let’s just say that if my USPS mailbox was an email account I’d abandon it because it would just be a conduit for spam.
Dang. I live in a condo development, so we have similar mail boxes. However, our individual boxes are at least twice the size of yours. But I also am friendly with our letter carrier, so she sometimes carries parcels directly to our unit.
Yeah. I missed payment for a bill because it totally looked like spam.
Welcome to the real world. Just put it in the pile with the fake warranty renewal requests, notice of “free” medical devices, contests you have won (but never entered) and official-looking “government” notices that didn’t come from any government.
I see what you did there.
Please don’t talk down to me.
I’m a lucky one. I get very little of this in my PO Box (I don’t get mail delivery). It did not come from any government, it came from the NRC. I don’t live in the county that my mail box is in, so they probably got my mail box info from the post office. A mass dump. Or any number of third party vendors I suppose.
What’s interesting, is the county my mailing address (PO Box) is in is very blue. What pisses me off is the first line asking to ‘re-confirm’ that I’m still registered as a Republican. Never been registered. It will confuse people, and that’s what these fuckers want.
Yeah, we’re in the exact same setup. I paid $xxx,xxx for a house and I don’t get to have a real mailbox?
In my situation they would get stuck in the road from October to May in the snow. Ya get used to it. I don’t try UPS or Fed-X for the same reason. Really wouldn’t be fair to the drivers. Easier to drop by PO Box when I’m in town about once a week.
Lot’s of mountain communities up here don’t get mail delivery.
If the shoe fits…
It should come as no surprise to a modern adult that advertising often skirts the truth, or that we are all subjected to copious material designed primarily to persuade us to part with our money or other valuable commodities. Some are more obvious than others and many are borderline fraudulent. That’s not a new phenomena; we all should be skeptical; but some get taken anyway. Here’s hoping you are not one of those.
Yup, there’s quite a bit of daylight between “a blatant deliberate lie” and “a blatant deliberate lie so deceptively tailored to the specific purpose of cheating the victim out of something of value that it qualifies as fraud in the legal sense of the term”.
Well, I did think “aborted the call” would have been just a little too on-the-nose.
I’ve never seen anything so blatant come through the USPS from a national political party. It was from the RNC. No, they would have never have ‘caught’ me. They tried very hard to make it look official, but failed there for sure. They’re idiots. Perhaps they know that there is a line they just can’t quite cross.
This was not from Trump or anyone else running.
The last decade or so has taught me to not expect better from these liars, but I was rather surprised that this came from the top. If the DNC had sent it, I would be just as pissed (and rather disillusioned).