So did you.
Oooh, burn!
Except, of course, the jackals who have been spewing at me can’t get beyond the fact that I often point out dishonesty among the standard half-dozen or so hardcore anti-Israel posters on the board. They haven’t even been able to show that I’m wrong about them.
But they have shown that they don’t care about that actual dishonesty. When people like Red Fury link to forged transcripts, nobody cares. Or when he names everybody in the US government whose name sounds Jewish to him, and accuses them all of potential treason for no reason other than that they’re Jewish, nobody cares. Or when lucy claims that it’s perfectly reaosnable to suspect American Jews of treason and that they might very well betray America to Israel just like communists did for International Communism, nobody says anything. When Damuri admits that he’s bigoted against Israel and automatically takes any incoming fact and tries to fit in into an anti-Israel narrative and has to fight against his bigotry, nobody cares. When people champion Jimmy Carter, nobody cares.
And so on, and so on, and so on.
As long as the bitches biting at my ankles can only bray angrily at me for calling out dishonesty and bigotry while they themselves can be bothered to do neither, then what the fuck should I care about their babbling? People who condone dishonesty and bigotry aren’t exactly the first people who I rush to for council when figuring out how best to challenge dishonesty and bigotry.
Show me one person who takes people to task for their dishonesty and/or bigotry and/or anti-Semitism who is also gumming my ankles, and you might have a point. Otherwise all you have are a bunch of asshole arguing for why dishonesty, bigotry and racism should really be treated gently and politely and that people who don’t do so are horrible.
You haven’t pointed out any dishonesty in this thread. You’ve spluttered for three pages about how dishonest… well, pretty much everyone except you is, but you haven’t actually backed it up.
I notice that you totally dodged the substance of my point, which is that the people who try to take me to task can’t ever seem to spare a word for any of the dishonesty or blatant prejudice that gets tossed around all the time. It’s telling that you don’t care about that at all. Anyways:
Who do you think you’re fooling (other than the crowd who condone bigotry and dishonesty but get a case of the vapors when someone else doesn’t?)
Let’s start with a real blatant example: was anybody actually jailed for being a Palestinian? No? then the OP was lying. Gee, that’s one bit of dishonesty I pointed out.
So, of course, that then raises the question, why it is that you don’t understand that is dishonest, or why you do and you’d claim it’s not in order to make spurious claims about me. Care to answer?
After that, we can look at any of the other lies that I’ve pointed out in this thread, like Damuri’s lie that I’ve ever called him an anti-Semite, or while we’re at it his lie that I’ve called many people, at all, anti-Semites. Maybe Damuri’s lie that I do thus and such against anybody who criticizes Israel at the same time as he admits that I’m peachy with quite a few people who criticize Israel, but they don’t count since they don’t criticize Israel enough (even though his original lie was that I do thus and such every single time anybody criticizes Israel) Then maybe Amnawhatever’s lie about some “rockets” nonsense or other, i wasn’t really able to track it as apparently he just made it up out of wholecloth and wasn’t even distorting one of my positions.
And so on, and so on, and so on.
Yes and yes.
If a man would not have slept with a woman if he had known she was married and he decides to sue, then yes, it is fraud.
The only reason the “I love you” part doesn’t count as fraud is because you can’t prove that someone DOESN’T love someone else.
No. No, I don’t. But I guess you are an Israel expert and know every tiny detail of its legal system with relation to rape by fraud, just like Marmite Lover is an expert on Israel’s plans to attack Turkey with a full-scale nuclear assault.
How much effort do people have to expend hammering dishonesty and prejudice elsewhere before they get to call you an asshole? Is there some sort of quota? Three vituperative posts against RedFury for every one against you?
Intellectual honesty wants to know.
By the way, I don’t like this law. I think things like lying for sex should be worked out between people, not courts. But if the guy got beat up by the girl’s older brother I would have no sympathy for him, just like I would if the races were reversed.
As for my earlier post, sorry; I didn’t notice there were already 5 pages.
I would like to know what you are basing this claim on. I have read several articles that say the original charge was “violent rape”, so if this is wrong I don’t think that any poster here is guilty of making that up.
When did I pretend not to know the difference between factual claims and matters of opinion? You said that I didn’t, I think because you believe my saying you post like a lunatic in these types of discussions was obviously not an opinion, but an assertion of fact, but you never really explained why as you seemed to think it was self-evident, and instead spent most of the follow-up post complaining about other people’s posts and why you thought they were wrong. It was kind of rambling, and I confess I skimmed most of it.
No, I’m right on this one. You are a terrible, ineffective poster when it comes to the topic of Israel. My base accusation was 100% correct, which you have been kind enough to exemplify ten times over with your subsequent posts to this thread.
I don’t expect you to get this, of course – your lack of self-awareness is a big part of why you are so laughably ineffective. (Another big part is the repetitiveness of your counter-attacks: you’ve got to mix it up, man! And pace yourself: let the rhetoric build a bit before you finish off with a triumphant accusation of lying or bigotry.)
According to Haaretz, he was charged with rape and indecent assault. I am unclear on the details of the definition of indecent assault, but to call it “violent rape” smacks of a certain editorializing. This is indeed how many articles are characterizing it.
I must admit that it did look like an odd charge when I read it, but I did read it in three separate articles. I thought maybe it was a unique Isreali charge.
As of this moment, FinnAgain has used the word ‘bigot’ seventy one times in this thread, although I may have missed some. As a public service, here is a brief list of synonyms for ‘bigot’ which will hopefully make his posts a little less tiresome.
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[li] Chauvinist[/li][li] Sectarian[/li][li] Partisan[/li][li] Racist[/li][li] Prejudiced[/ul][/li]
Finnagain: Giraffe is absolutely correct when he says that you are an ineffective poster on the subject of Israel. You use the word ‘bigot’ so often that it loses all meaning. At this stage, I’d be surprised if anyone cared that you’d called them a bigot, just because the charge is levelled with such frequency. At this stage, it’s a bit like being called fat by Nicole Richie. Do yourself a favour and put down the battering ram.
You, of all people, are accusing Giraffe of having a “spaz fit”?
I don’t know whether to :rolleyes: or :p.
Why do we need them again? It was one thing when we were supporting a nation besieged on all sides by enemies that had the will and (seemed to have the) ability to destroy it. Now it is a dominant regional military power that is oppressing a minority.
I know its not like we’re supporting Hussein’s Iraq or Noriega’s Panama but at least those relationships had the benefit of providing some short term global political gains. I don’t really know what purpose Israel serves in our global strategy.
I don’t think that this is a necessary precondition for supporting Israel but if you want to defend Israel its going to have to be something better than “its the best we can do in the region”
Well that’s what I meant. I didn’t know the particulars.
Like I said, I was mostly talking about their high court.
Of course you call me an anti-Semite. You call half the people who criticize Israel anti-Semite. You may not use the word anti-Semite all the time (or even any of the time) but you are still calling them anti-Semites. This is the nitpicky sort of shit that makes people :rolleyes: at you.
I’ve read people say that you used to be a thoughtful poster. WTF happened? What finally made you crack?
How does it feel to know that nobody takes you seriously anymore?
And what reason is that? Is the board bigoted against Israel or anti-semetic in a way that makes them keep quiet as I spread lie after vicious lie about Israel?
If it is then you are camoflauging it as a crusade to defend Israel.
Because I am usually criticizing Israel for things that it has done not things that I believe they will do because they are Jews. I am against their policies and their practices, not their people.
Its not happening in a vaccuum. Its you dude, you’re the reason that people are OK with it. If I had said any of that about Malthus after having a debate with Malthus, then I’d be the one getting shitted on in this thread but when I say that sort of shit about you, everybody just nods their heads and thinks “well SOMEONE had to say it”
Nobel Peace Prize, only President to make and advance towards peace in the middle east. Shit like that.
Maybe because they aren’t lies. They may overstate things sometimes but a lot of people honestly believe that there is racism against and oppression of Palestinians. If you want to dissect Jimmy Carter’s book, I am sure you can find things in there that are incorrect but you use language that assumes evil intent right out of the gate.
I’d like to think so.
The reason people don’t think that was lying is because they read the actual post and while the OP could have titled this thread some other way, in the context of his post, its not the sort of thing that would cause most people to start their response with “So the OP starts by lying about the basic facts of the issue, this is good.”
You just throw that shit around without realizing that every time you use it in cases like that you undermine your own credibility.
He uses that term so that he can claim that he never accused anyone of racism or anti-semitism I suppose.
Damuri:
Of course you call me an anti-Semite. You call half the people who criticize Israel anti-Semite. You may not use the word anti-Semite all the time (or even any of the time) but you are still calling them anti-Semites. This is the nitpicky sort of shit that makes people :rolleyes: at you.
He didn’t call you an anti-semite for two reasons: If he did, you (or someone else) would start a self-righteous rant about how “semite” includes Arabs, therefore he can’t possibly be anti-semetic.
The other reason is that you don’t seem to hate all Jews, just the Jews who want their own country.
Noble peace prize is a freaking joke. Obama may have been making plans to do something, but he certainly has done nothing yet. I’d rather not turn this into a hijak, but neither he nor Carter deserve the prize any more than you or I do.
I’d link a list of all the balant lies Carter wrote, but I know you’ll just ignore my link, so what’s the point?
I’m not answering for Finn, but IMO the thread title is a sort of Yellow Journalism, which is a type of dishonesty.
Oh, and BTW? He was arrested for lying about being Jewish and for lying about being unmarried. So I thing we should change the title to “Married Man Arrested for Lying About His Marital Status in Order to Seduce a Woman”. But that would cause much less outrage, huh?
Maybe because the term “Bigot” is deserved here? If you prefer, we could get a mod to change each use of the word to a different synonym. Would that make you happy?
No, he uses that term because it’s the correct term to use in this situation.
Yeah, actually it would. I don’t know if the allegations are deserved and frankly, I don’t care. This is just a message board, and this is certainly the wrong sub-forum for fighting ignorance but I like a good train wreck as much as the next guy and Finn’s fixation on the word ‘bigot’ is tedious and weird. Giraffe is right. It’s not helping his case.
So you’re saying your problem is with Finn’s word choice, not actual message?
That’s a little shallow, dontcha think? Can’t you listen to what he says without obsessing over minor details in the way he says it?
If you take the Haaretz article at face value (assuming there weren’t other mitigating circumstances), then why was he not convicted of fraud instead of rape?
According to the article:
The only precedent appears to deal with coercion more than deception:
Yep, pretty much.
I guess it’s a little shallow, but it’s not entirely shallow. Delivery matters, nearly as much as the message itself. Look back through this thread and see how many posters have parodied or otherwise criticised Finn’s ranty-shouty ‘bigotbigotbigotbigotbigot’ posting style. Style is important, and Finn’s is more memorable, for the wrong reasons, than his message. That’s why Giraffe is right.