It’s not racist. It IS fucking stupid, and Israeli lawmakers should be ashamed of themselves, as should the judge.
Wow. Now I’m lying? I’m using your own words. From this thread.
“you’re just one of our anti-Israel brigade”
“Because you’re a partisan shill”
“When people lie and are called and it, and other evince bigotry,”
I mean come on.
You sir have been shown to do so. You are routinely asked to give examples of Israeli actions you disagreed with and routinely you do not give any.
- I never said the OP wasn’t about Israel. To use your favourite phrase, stop lying.
- People are expected to read the post and preferably the link too. Neither of which claims he was jailed for being Palestinian.
- If someone doesn’t read the thread they have no idea that Israel is involved. If they do, they’ll see what happened. The topic title is no different to a tabloid headline.
See, here AGAIN are you calling me a shill and anti-Israel, just like you did earlier but you then called me a liar for saying you had.
Seriously. Is English your first language? Can you read? Do you have any sort of learning development problems? Because something is stopping the words on the screen getting into your head.
Again with the “partisan shill” and “hatred of Israel”. For a “lie” it is certainly a “lie” that you like to keep performing.
So let me see. I laid out quite clearly for you what my views on the Middle East are. I have also given you the same views in other threads. These are views I have held for some time.
But what you are saying - because you know me so well - is that these are in fact lies?
Riiiiight.
No, you’ve been lying. You’re just still doing it. Rather obviously, and blatantly I might add.
Nope, you’re lying yet again. Go figure. And of course I haven’t “been shown to do so”. The pack of rabid curs that you run with simply like that lie a lot, so you repeat it. As any Big Lie works, you seem to hope that if you use it enough, you’ll fool some people. Of course it’s not true and you’re simply a back of vile, pustular mongrels, but that goes with the territory.
The truth is that despite me going on record criticizing Israel, the assholes on the board who make up the anti-Israel brigade will lie about it, even in threads where I’ve just criticized something Israel does. Sometimes only a few posts right after. You guys just like lying, I suppose.
There’s that honorable and honest nature you have! While lying and saying that the OP didn’t claim that the issue was “Palestinian jailed for being Palestinian” (since, ya know, they said it in the title and not the body of the post, and anti-Israel lies are only “hyperbole” and yadda yadda), you also claimed that it was somehow important that the OP didn’t mention the word Israel in the body text, either.
Surely, not so you can shill. Nopers. Just coincidence.
Yeah, you keep lying while moaning about how you’re being called out for continually lying. You’re kinda retarded, eh?
Your lie was not that you’re a shill who is anti-Israel. Of course you are and of course I said you are. Your lie was that rather than your constant dishonesty and shilling for your anti Israel narrative (like justifying lies as “hyperbole” as long as they’re anti-Israel lies), that it was really because you don’t accept everything that Israel does. Except, I listed several people who also don’t and who I not only haven’t called any names, but respect because unlike you they’re not dishonest and not shills.
Because, ya know, you were lying.
Yes, you are a liar. Unsurprisingly, I’m not taking you at your word. Go figure, eh?
Your actual views on the Middle East are shown by your behavior, not your oh-so-honest (and honorable too!) protestations of your neutrality. Your record is clear including the issue that led to you whining in ATMB about how you shouldn’t be insulted in the Pit, a thread, by the way, in which you admitted to dishonestly trying to find excuses to ‘get me in trouble’. Because, ya know, you’re a liar.
You’re fine with lies about Israel as long as you can handwave them away as hyperbole. Strangely enough, you’re not fine with the truth if it doesn’t paint Israel in a negative light.
Just one of those coincidences, eh? Eh?
Just a disinterested opinion but I can set my watch by how long it takes you to cry “liar” in any thread critical of anything Israeli. That doesn’t lead me to believe you are entirely rational on the subject. I’m sure you’ll disagree.
Also, since were on this page, I find your habit of characterizing every one of your opponents as drooling morons off-putting.
Hey, thanks for noticing!
The problem with your view is that it leads to arguments, as we’re seeing here, on what sorts of conduct constitute ‘rape.’
Many years ago, I posted in response to a GQ thread titled Can I legally refuse to feed Rachel Leigh Cook unless she sleeps with me? that may be of interest to the present discussion.
Either we agree that “rape” refers to a specific crime with specific elements, with the further understanding that “rape under New Jersey law,” “rape under Virginia law,” and “rape under Israeli law,” may not be identical crimes, or we accept this generic idea that rape means whatever the speaker wishes it to mean, which leads us to absurdities like “all married sex is rape,” a paraphrase of Andrea Dworkin’s articulated position in “Right Wing Women.”
Of course, since you don’t look at whether or not people actually are lying and only on whether or not I say that someone is, you obviously don’t care if I’m right or not but are only objecting to the claim itself, and pretending that in the absence of any verification that the mere claim itself, even if totally correct, is evidence of “not being entirely rational.” The fact is that there is a small (just over half a dozen) number of posters who reliably post anti-Israel positions, and reliably use dishonesty to do it.
The reason I point out so often that they’re lying is that they lie that often.
Also not true. But, again, the fact that a small coterie who make up the dedicated anti-Israel brigade tend to use dishonesty, ignorance and malice as their weapons of choice doesn’t mean it’s somehow wrong for me to point it out.
Seriously, please tell me what I am lying about. As it is “blatant” it should be trivial for you to point it out to me.
I guess been asked to do so and then you not doing so is me lying. Or something. Definitely my fault though.
As I am not a stalker, I am yet to see you critcising Israel. Maybe I missed it. Fancy pointing out an example to me?
It wasn’t an anti-Israel lie.
There is nothing in the OP or linked article that says that he was jailed for being Palestinian.
The hyperbolic thread title made no reference to Israel.
Seriously. Tell me what I am lying about.
About what, exactly?
Seriously, this basically reads like “your lie is that I called you a liar”.
You know a nice clean example would be good. If there are many things I am lying about, why not number them?! Like this:
- You said you didn’t fart when everyone heard you fart.
- You said that you never called my bum “fat and not unlike a bean bag” when I have you on tape saying that.
Come on! It’ll be fun!
I didn’t do anything dishonest. I brought attention to the moderators actions that IU felt - and still feel - are not allowed by the rules. You regularly troll and harass people. I included a list of terms you had used to harass me in a single thread. Your accusations of lying without ever saying what I am lying about is quite simply trolling - hassling me in an attempt to get a negative reaction. That is also against Pit rules. My mistake in that ATMB thread was concentrating on the language rather than the harassment and trolling.
What “lies about Israel” have I shown to be fine with today? The one that made no mention of Israel? Any others? You used a plural so I’m guessing there are - well, unless you are using lies and/or hyperbole.
The thing you are struggling to deal with is criticism of Israel isn’t anti-Israel, bigotry, or whatever terms you want to use. It is simply disagreeing with Israel and thinking their actions were wrong.
Here’s a thought for you: maybe I’m not criticising Palestine much as they haven’t actually been doing much of late? In 2009 566 rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel, in comparison to 2,048 in 2008. Out of these, 406 were fired during the Gaza War, which ended on 18 January, and 160 were fired during the rest of the year..
Ignoring the ones fired when Israel was flattening large portions of Gaza (and lying about their use of certain weapons in arguably illegal manners), 160 were fired. In a year. Usually causing no casualties and often no damage. In 2010 the story has been very similar.
This was shit of them. I don’t like it. I wish they wouldn’t do it. But in my opinion it is different to blocking much needed aid into Palestine, causing deaths, and doing stuff like boarding aid ships and killing people on them. Especially when those aid ships carry people from the country I am sitting in. It is more relevant to me hence I am more likely to discuss it. This doesn’t mean that those Palestinians firing rockets aren’t shits. It just means that in the grand scheme of things, those glorified fireworks that struggle to damage anything are not as “bad” as the blocking of medical aid, food and necessary materials for rebuilding homes and making drinking water safe from entering Palestine after the Israeli army caused widespread destruction.
Do you see? When the Palestinians do something really shit I’ll discuss it. And I’ll call them out on it. But frankly, they’ve been a lot quieter than the Israelis of late.
Well, that’s the reason I find a lot appealing about Schulhoffer’s arguments regarding rape law. He maintains that the law should find “force” where the aggressor seeks to withhold something to which the victim otherwise has a right. So if a person has earned a promotion, or a high school diploma, for example, and they are told that absent the sex, they will be denied it, then that is rape. Rachel Leigh Cook, on the other hand, has no entitlement to your food. If you say to her that you will give her a sandwich in exchange for sex, then that wouldn’t be rape, though it could be soliciting prostitution.
As to the elements, if we are to keep both force and lack of consent, I support the New Jersey approach, which holds that the act of penetration absent consent itself contains sufficient force to satisfy that element. I’m also in favor of a (soft) affirmative consent standard rather than the current negative consent position, especially for sexual encounters that take place outside of a relationship dynamic.
Well, now we’re better able to answer that GQ. You are perfectly within your rights to feed Rachel Leigh Cook in exchange for sex. You just can’t lie about whether you’re going to feed her.
The idea that if lying to gain sex were rape all men would be rapists is a disgusting, untrue, sexist smear.
No, it really isn’t. Well, except for monks.
“My name is George. I’m unemployed and I live with my parents.”
Agreed, although I’d also go so far as to say that while the law may not be racist as written, it certainly provides a handy tool for racist/bigoted people to use to be racist/bigoted with. That bothers – I don’t like seeing the courts and jails used as weapons by assholes.
And FinnAgain: you are fucking nuts. Seriously. Watching you go off on someone for disagreeing with you over anything related to Israel with wildly disproportionate rhetoric and accusations for what seems like the millionth time makes it clear that you haven’t the faintest clue about how to actually win an argument in a meaningful way (i.e. convincing anyone reading that you’re right, as opposed to just being so tedious that people give up). Israel would have a more positive image if you never posted on the topic again.
I must have you.
Well, yeah.
Ooooh, that frequent lie. It’ll work better if you tell it more times Giraffe. That’s the ticket. It’s not a Big Lie if you don’t really go hog wild with it.
Or just fucking stop lying, really, how hard is it?
I disagree with honest people on the subject quite often, because we can discuss facts. But since there are a small number of people whose stock in trade is deception and dishonesty, I call them on it. Pretending that they’re everybody is just fucking stupid. In point of fact, you’re now actually defending “wildly disproportionate rhetoric” (you know, the original lie that a Palestinian man was charged with the crime of being Palestinian and jailed for it in Israel?) so you can lie about me. And, of course, you’re ignoring bigotry like Dio’s spew about how since he hates Israelis, then he can just make up hypotheticals and pretend they’re real and there’s no reason to have to actually prove them or anything. But it sure is awful that I went and pointed out the fact that his nonsense is based on nothing but bigotry. Yeep. Go figure.
You’re just another in a line of schmucks who get your panties in a bunch because I point out that people who are lying are, in fact, lying. You don’t care about the fact that they’re verifiably lying, only the fact that I pointed it out.
As for your nonsense about “winning” debates. Obviously, some people, like you, don’t care if some of the advocates for a particular position reliably do so with lies and bigotry. That’s okay.
You’re just spewing the standard idiocy. Sure, the anti-Israel crowd has a reliable set of just a few posters who regularly use dishonesty to sell their shit, but calling them on it is awful, just awful! And idiots who have an opinion of a nation because of someone posting on a message board are borderline mentally retarded anyways and you can concern yourself with them if you really want.
See, foamy, this is why you’re stupid. Calling someone a liar for voicing their opinion of how you post on a given issue makes you look like a lunatic. Because it’s not your actual views that I’m criticizing, it’s the terrible, ineffective way you express them. How can that be a lie? Do you think I secretly believe you are wonderfully eloquent and effective but have instead embarked on a disinformation campaign to discredit you?
The fact that your only response to disagreement or criticism is to reflexively call everyone liars and bigots shows how disconnected from reality you are. It’s also super annoying.
I don’t see how it provides such a “tool”, any more than any other law. Less in fact.
As it is, the racist person would have to have sex with the person they are racist against in order to use that “tool”, which if they were really racist, would be an odd sort of way to go about being racist. 
I’m not saying racists are going to go out and have sex with people to try to get them locked up – that would be a bit odd. But it creeps me out to think of a girl liking a guy up until she finds out that he’s Jewish/Muslim/Catholic/whatever, at which point she wants to punish him. Imagine it in the context of 1950’s America, where the nice Protestant girl meets a guy at a dance and is ga-ga for him until she learns that he’s Jewish, at which point she tries to get him locked up. It’s disturbing.
Finn is starting to remind me of DanielintheWolvesden. Especially with the whole “Big Lie” bullshit.
Although I don’t remember Daniel being QUITE so foaming at the mouth.
Guin: you are a bovine mouthbreather whose post county doesn’t disguise the fact that your brain is simply sub-standard. Your posts, reliably, can be replaced by a sustained mooing.
The fact that the lie that Giraffe (and a couple others) are using is a lie that they’re hoping will gain traction if they lie enough is not of issue to you. The fact that I correctly called it what it is, why, that’s just horrible.
Chew your cud.
Anyways, honestly Giraffe, you never used to be this stupid. I mean, you’re going Full Retard here, and while it’s impressive to watch you fling your own feces around, it’s a bit embarrassing too.
Honestly, what’s it going to take for you to stop lying? Seriously, have you just decided that the Big Lie demands that you lie constantly, or what? Don’t you have at least enough personal integrity to cringe when you lie and call your lie “the fact”? Doesn’t some part of you rebel against your level of dishonesty?
I know that the anti-Israel Brigade likes this lie and they repeat it a lot, but it’s laughably false. The fact that many of them are bigots and do lie (of course, you’ve ignored the instances of bigotry and lying in this thread to spew your idiocy at me, naturally) doesn’t make the fact that I point out their behavior somehow wrong.
You never were such a craven coward as to lie about something and then retreat, like a whipped dog, to claims that your lies are merely an “opinion” and that pointing out that you’re lying is a sign of mental illness when you’re provably lying. If you’re going to make shit up about someone, then at least man up and admit it. Whether or not something is factual is not an “opinion”. You lied about me and claimed I did something I do not. That’s not an “opinion”, that’s a lie.
It’s fucking retarded of you to lie about me and then get your panties in an (even bigger) twist because, gorsh, you were just making shit up about me, but you were only making up an opinion. That’s even lamer than the “hyperbole” crowd.
Honest question. Are you trolling, or have you suddenly become mind-numblingly stupid? Your claim was fictional, made up, invented, bullshit. It was a lie. What, you think you’re allowed to lie about how someone posts and not just their views, and then that’s not a lie because… why, exactly?
Help me follow the trail-of-stupid that you’re laying out here.
Of course, you always post screaming rage at anybody who doesn’t support torturing kittens. Not that it’s a lie, that’s just my opinion. Right?
Honestly, why are you being so fucking retarded today?
Again, why this level of stupid?
Rather obviously you have decided, for whatever reason, to lie about how I post in order to make a personal attack on me. This isn’t rocket science here. Are you, perhaps, running a high fever?