I find it hard to believe that his emotions continue to make him dig the hole he’s in. The only other explanation is that, after almost three years of membership, he’s decided to troll and found a safe way to do so.
It’s certainly got him some attention.
Sorry, no.
Your fact #1 is just wrong. They called 911 because he had a weapon and was acting erratically. If they just wanted a ride they could have called a taxi.
Fact #2: even if we assume that a taser (which is an assumption since I haven’t seen proof) was used there is nothing in the cite that says he was disabled by it. If you think that tasers are 100% effective your knowledge is lacking. They don’t knock you out so when the charge is done you can fight through it. You can pull the barbs out. One barb or both can miss. They can get hung up in clothes and not make contact. Tasers work because they can momentarily disable you and right thinking people will not want to feel it again so they stop their actions. That is not nearly as effective with people who are not in their right minds. Such as schizophrenics going through a psychotic break.
Fact #3: Even if we can make the huge assumption that the remark was made exactly as the family said we don’t know what he was referring to. There is not one officer in the country who would think that an officer involved shooting would take less time than any other action.
So your facts are in fact assumptions. Feel free to look that word up too.
Now as I stated before, my gut feeling is that there is a better than even chance (that means greater than 50%) that he screwed up royally and possibly criminally. But there is nothing that has been cited so far to prove it one way or the other. But congrats for being able to maintain your outrage for so long.
BTW I prefer a nice jelly donut to a bear claw. But they can be good too.
And ANOTHER logical fallacy or two.
He didn’t say that any particular case was justifiable homicide, just that some can be. The fallacies I see are straw man and (as falsely applied to him) the fallacy of division.
(Did I get those right, guys?)
This is the appeal to emotion fallacy. The guilt of innocence of the cop in this case does not depend on how someone would feel if it happened to them.
You’ve had some trouble with cops in the past, haven’t you? You call them “pigs,” right? You’ve been arrested or at least “hassled” by police. You may have spent some time in cuffs or a cell spewing about how everyone is responsible for your problems expect you.
Anyone who thinks that calling out logical fallacies and emotional bullshit is “psychobabble” has completely discredited himself.
You are spewing nonsense, because you are angry. That’s human nature, but it doesn’t help you or the young man who died, not one bit. Calm down and use your brain and you might produce something useful. Yell and scream and get your anger out - somewhere else.
No, no. The Pit is the perfectly cromulent venue for yelling and screaming.
But with the obvious caveat you can be called on irrational, emotional bullshit.
Now that you mention it, it does seem pretty ridiculous that a cop would try to get off duty quicker by shooting someone.
If I had to bet, I’d say that he did make the remark, but in relation to the initial tactic of trying to calm the guy down, suggesting that they quit talking and start tazing. Which, apparently, escalated the situation rather than defusing it.
Well, let’s cut through the emotion and hype and bullshit and try to see what really happened.
The stepfather, who is apparently the only source for the “we don’t have time for this” quote (note the correct text, please), apparently is changing his story as the wind blows. First there is this:
Then later on, there’s this:
Tasers are nice, but they are not the be-all and end-all. Sometime, they just don’t work the way we want them to. Click here and watch some of the videos. I expecially like the one about the guy running out of the courtroom after being tased. So the kid got tased and it apparently didn’t work. We know this because the kid continued to try to stab one of the cops.
Interesting. Bulletproof vests are NOT a defense against any kind of stabbing implement. So the bottom line is that we have Vidal repeatedly trying to stab a police officer and kill him, and being shot by another officer in defense of the first one’s life.
Now - this is the result of the eyewitness testimony that you referred to, and it isn’t going to change. And as such, unless something extraordinary comes up, this sounds like a justifiable shooting to me.
And in my opinion, the whole thing could have been prevented if the parents had committed their whackjob son in the first place instead of letting him run loose. They had already had the cops out to their house multiple times because of the kid. I think they are the ones to blame for the kid’s death, but of course, nobody wants to talk about that. The really sad thing is that I think the stepdad is now thinking money and 15 minutes of fame. They’re gonna sue, get a settlement and get a bucket of money for fucking up and not accepting parental responsibility.
Yeah, this is a sad situation, but it’s sure as hell not for the reasons that you think.
FTR, I’ve never been arrested; I’ve been “hassled” many a time, but remained free because there was literally nothing the cops could pin on me, plus I’m white as Irish Snow. The most recent time I’ve dealt with the police was a year ago when my drug addict roommate threated me with a box cutter, but decided not to press charges or inform the police where his drug stash was hidden because his mother probably would’ve hired a hit man to kill me (only half joking!) plus he’s family and I kinda do love him, ya know?
You live with drug addicts. Why does that not surprise me?
You have no business calling the police to protect you when you have such contempt for them though.
No, I do not live with him anymore. And I had no clue he was abusing cocaine until he began acting erratically and physically assaulted me, and even then I wasn’t 100% certain until he finally confessed in an all-too-brief moment of clarity. Ultimately though, he reneged on his promise to seek rehab (I suspect it was because he feared losing access to his trust fund, which his mother controls) and I did move out just to escape the unwinnable situation – although in hindsight, especially concerning some information I just learned yesterday, had I the chance to do it all over again, I probably would’ve dropped the dime.
Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk. There’s a few threads I posted about it on the Dope a year ago, but I’d rather not open old wounds – sorry for the hijack.
And what little credibility you have left is destroyed.
How dare you hate the cops and then expect them to help you?
If my credibility’s destroyed, are you saying that I’m incredible? Why, thank you. 
Perhaps you’re only a medium-sized douchebag instead of a humungous one.
Why didn’t the police just murder you, then, since you seem to believe it happens routinely and they always get away with it?
They didn’t think you were innocent. You said in another thread that no one could become a police officer if he or she believed anyone was innocent. So they believed you were guilty (of something) and could easily kill you. Why didn’t they?
Regards,
Shodan
You see the irony here, right?
No, because my brother was the one with the box cutter, not me. Of course, he had hidden it away by the time they arrived, so the police probably would’ve shot both of us if he didn’t have time fo’ dat.
So what? You claimed that no one can become a cop and believe there are innocent people. Therefore the police must have believed you guilty as well as your brother. Why didn’t they shoot you both? It’s easy and they get away with it routinely. Studies have shown it.
Regards,
Shodan
Yeah, I totally read a thing about it on Yahoo! News one time.
It’s common knowledge, really.
It doesn’t work like that, at least where I am. You can’t just have your kid commited. Citizens have rights that can only be removed by due process, and a lot of ‘whackjobs’ don’t meet the criteria. We’ve had multiple visit to our ER over the past year by a psych pt having a meltdown. Sometimes brought in by the parents, sometimes by EMS, I can’t remember if the police have been involved with this one, but it wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve seen the parents pushing hard for the pt to go to mental health, sometimes they take him, sometimes not, but he’s not ‘commitable’. I really feel for the parents, they’re in an untenable situation.
I’d also like to give a big shout out to the 2 sheriffs who helped us last week. We had a highschool aged pt* in a bad situation and they were very calm and professional. We all worked hard, ER staff, LEO’s, and family, but in the end it was 4 pt leather restraints.
OTOH, I have a friend who is also a nurse, with a mentally ill son who quit working the ER after seeing a situation that was handled badly.