That isn’t the point. You could claim a fake gun you had wasn’t ever used, but if you get caught with one in school, your skin color won’t matter.
It’s the making of it, more than anything, that makes it a problem. Bringing it to school and making sure a teacher hears it, that is beyond stupid.
re-read post #1040 - let that sink in a bit.
This isn’t a “fake gun”.
Nobody said it’s a gun. The gun was brought up as an example of why just having something in your possession can be illegal, in school.
If a kid gets caught with a not real gun, in school, it won’t matter. It’s that he made it, and brought it to school that is the problem. The cops won’t think it’s real, but they will still arrest the kid. because that’s how the real world works.
and thats relevant how? where is the clock “illegal to have in your possession” or even against “school rules”? It wasn’t designed to instill fear, it didn’t look like a bomb.
hell, a “fake gun” isn’t illegal , its just against school rules - the ramifications for will likely vary from incident to incident and kid to kid.
(not that I disagree that bringing a fake gun on school grounds won’t be immediately dealt with these days with lots of police interaction)
this is all in response to your attempting to bring in unabomber and small bombs “left behind” - to which this wasn’t and then you move it to guns.
And the fact that he was warned not to show it to anyone - because to that teacher it was obviously alarming. So when in spite of the warning he went out of his way to do so, that shows intent to alarm. Or at least a reasonable inference of such intent.
The teacher didn’t find it alarming enough to confiscate or alert anyone else.
The kid showing it anyway is just intent to be stupid - its not intent to ‘alarm’ at this point.
If he wanted to ‘alarm’ folks - he would have walked away from it or set it off to go “later” instead of while he was showing it.
Hahahaha. That’s funny. You’re suggesting that everyone except Ahmed “the incredibly stupid clockmaker” should be charged because Ahmed “the incredibly stupid clockmaker” chose to bring a hazardous timing device to school.
The FIRST teacher didn’t find it alarming enough to confiscate or alert anyone else.
The SECOND teacher confiscated the timing device AND alerted the Principle.
But he did find it alarming enough to tell him not to show it to anyone. Do you agree?
Since he was warned, by the alarmed teacher, NOT to do so, one reasonable inference is that his intent, when he went out of his way to make it beep in the English class, was to alarm.
Again, it could be that he was just being stupid. But it is reasonable to assume intent to alarm. After further the arrest and subsequent investigation it was found that he did not have such intent. So he was released.
For some reason you think that the initial assumption was not reasonable. You are entitled to your opinion. Mine is different.
No, this is a completely unwarranted leap. If you take that sentence and change “the arrest” to “disciplinary action”, then I agree. But I don’t see how you can argue that, based on the facts as we know them so far, there was any justification whatsoever for police to actually go to the school and arrest this kid. To investigate further? Fine. To arrest him? No way.
Isn’t it pretty obvious, even by Ahmed’s own account, that his engineering teacher saw that it was not a bomb yet could easily alarm other people? I’m not sure why it is so inconceivable to everyone that middle school teachers, who are college educated adults with a lot of experience observing adolescent behavior, could think “I know this is not actually a bomb, therefore I don’t need to alert the bomb squad, but this looks like it might fool some of Ahmed’s more credulous peers”.
ETA, just to eradicate a little ignorance: Doorhinge, you keep writing “Principle”. The chief administrator of a school is “the principal”. A “principle” is a homophone with a different meaning. Furthermore, “principal” in the context you are using it is not capitalized unless it is at the beginning of a sentence. You would capitalize it if you used as a title, as in “hello, Principal Skinner”, but that’s not the way you have been using it.
It isn’t very surprising when you consider who it is. It’s some of the lowest pieces of shit the board has to put up with. Fucking Terr, magellan01, doorhinge? Disgusting worthless fucks you wouldn’t piss on if they were on fire. Add slackerinc and his buddy compost troll or whatever the fuck his name is, and steronz, and you have a combination of casual racism, stupidity, and mindless efforts at provocation that, well, is pretty common around here.
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It’s doorhinge, not Doorhinge, but thanks for sharing your expertise on proper capitalization.
Okay, that was funny.
Yeah it was
Thank you for contributing your own personal effort at stupidity, along with the mindless effort at provocation. It adds sooooo much to the conversation. :rolleyes:
The kid brought a dangerous and hazardous device to school. School districts (or whatever they’re called locally), along with their legal advisors, have spent decades trying to make schools safer for the taxpayers children. This school responded to the discovery of an obviously unsafe device.
If you see something, say something.
And people like yourself are condemning the efforts of the people who are on the front line of keeping students safe. How dare they follow protocol designed to make students safer. Don’t they know that everyone gets a trophy? Even the stupid ones?
It’s a clock. :rolleyes:
Really? *That’s *the stone you want to throw?
And it took several hours for them to say something. Obviously, no one thought it was a bomb right from the start.
The police not only arrested a 14 year old over a clock but now they get a trophy for it as well? Well, now I’m fucking pissed.
And hope that you say something to someone who gives shit and will actually do something. Unlike, say, the security guards to whom I reported a very large duffel bag abandoned in an employee break room inside a government building.