Why should I care what a billionaire club wants to do to one of its members?
Yay! You took one for the team!?
Well in defense of the club they have a morals clause built into the franchise as a whole. Does Kraft’s action rise to the level of moral outrage necessary for release?
Are there players in the league who were penalized for such behavior? If so the gander just met the goose. Or at least another gander.
Ummm, the ones you made in your post?
“In most of the developed world, sex work is either legalized or decriminalized already.”
“As far as human trafficking, if sex work were legal then it wouldn’t be as much of a problem.”
point 1.
as for point 2, I’m seeing contradictory info. It may increase trafficking, but it decreases victimization.
Yeah, I saw a bunch of maps like that when I googled it, but nothing I found said: “In most of the developed world, sex work is either legalized or decriminalized already”. I was hoping you’d have more concrete information.
I don’t think that’s on point with what I took you to say. I thought you were saying sex trafficking would decrease in places with legal prostitution, but I couldn’t find anything to support that either, and I don’t think your cite did either. Most of it was stuff like this study. They say: “Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited.” and “Criminalization of prostitution in Sweden resulted in the shrinking of the prostitution market and the decline of human trafficking inflows.” But then they also conclude “The likely negative consequences of legalised prostitution on a country’s inflows of human trafficking might be seen to support those who argue in favour of banning prostitution, thereby reducing the flows of trafficking,” the researchers state. “However, such a line of argumentation overlooks potential benefits that the legalisation of prostitution might have on those employed in the industry.”
To me, with my very little research, it doesn’t look anywhere near cut and dried as you asserted. It very well may be that legalizing and regulating prostitution and making sure the sex workers are all consenting and use protection would be great, butit’s not a sure thing that it would decrease illegal trafficking at the same time.
Didn’t Kraft get enough happy endings with all the Superbowl wins?
There is no way a misdemeanor is going to get him to lose the team. Honestly, if it wasn’t for the patriots always pretending to be the moral team with their patriot way bull shit this would only be a news story because another of trumps buddies did something illeagal.
Jerry Richardson committed NO crimes and was forced to sell. What exactly is supposed to protect Kraft?
If an individual has sex with a person who was brought to this country under false pretenses and is now threatened and abused to keep them compliant, I don’t think “but I didn’t have a legal option” is a defense.
It might be random chance that my one and only check of the information on that chart turned up outdate information, but:
That’s similar to the state of affairs in Norway and Sweden.
The impression I got was that Kraft happened to be, um, on hand when they busted the place for trafficking.
Do you have a cite that he was forced to sell? He was forced to pay a settlement, but I haven’t seen anything where the League kicked him out. Officially anyway…
No. It was surveillance video. They recorded him there two times.
Eddie Debartolo was forced to relenquish the 49ers after being found guilty of failing to report the governor of Louisiana extorting $400,000 for a gambling license. He basically traded the team to his sister for the family real estate holdings, and her son now runs the team. Poorly.
Actually he wasn’t forced out, he was fined and suspended for a year. He then ended up voluntarily ceding his position by trading for another piece of the family business as you noted.
I could see Robert Kraft retiring in embarrassment. Or maybe, MAYBE being pushed out personally by the NFL. But I don’t see a sale, certainly not a forced one. At worst he’d pull a DeBartolo and cede control to his son or some other family entity.
This is perhaps the silliest first-post response I’ve seen to a GD thread in a long time. Who the hell did you think the OP was talking about when he asked whether Kraft should be forced to sell the Patriots?
I mean, he didn’t explicitly state that the NFL would have to be the one to make the decision, but I’m not sure who else he could possibly mean. I guess it’s possible that he was asking whether Congress or the Massachusetts legislature should pass a law requiring the sale, but that seems pretty unlikely. And it was even clearer to anyone who is familiar with the history and the organization of the NFL, which can impose all sorts of conditions on team ownership, and can impose all sorts of fines and other penalties on owners, coaches, players, and other employees of the individual teams.
Of course it’s up to the NFL. Blind Freddie can see that. But the fact that it’s up to the NFL doesn’t stop other people from weighing in on what they think the NFL should do in such a situation.
If we take your post to its absurd but logical conclusion, it would render irrelevant just about any “should” question where the actual decision is being made by entities outside of this message board.
Q. Should Paul Manafort get prison time?
A: I’m sure some people will say he should, but it’s up to the judge, not anyone else.
Q. After all the criticism it has received, should Amazon pull out of placing a second HQ in New York?
A. I’m sure some people will say it should, but it’s up to Amazon, not anyone else.
Q. Should the Virginia House pass the Equal Rights Amendment?
A. I’m sure some people will say it should, but it’s up to the elected representatives of Virginia, not anyone else.
Q. Should airlines charge for checked baggage?
A. I’m sure some people will say they should, but it’s up to the individual airlines, not anyone else.
Do you grasp the concept that people might have arguments of morality or principle or belief or fact to make about these issues, even as they recognize that they might not be the ones responsible for making the actual decisions? Do you understand the speculative and rather subjective nature of the word “should”?
The question seems to be whether frequenting a prostitute is a violation of the rules of personal conduct for NFL players, owners, other team staff and NFL staff. I tried to search online for these rules, and couldn’t find them. All I could find was a reference that the rules may be more stringent than the law, and that not being found guilty is no guarantee that the rules would not be invoked.
What he allegedly did (soliciting a prostitute) is illegal in that state, so again, if that is in violation of the rules, he should be treated the same as anyone else in the NFL. If the NFL is satisfied that all he did was solicit a prostitute and had no knowledge that sex trafficking was involved, the penalty probably won’t include being forced to sell (do they even do that?)
Honestly I am just in awe of the fact that a billionaire not only patronized such a seedy establishment but got CAUGHT doing it. This is like, the smallest of small-time prostitution we’re talking about. Guys like this have access to high-end escort agencies that are discrete and professional. A $79/hr rub-and-tug, seriously? Seriously, Robert? What the hell?
I hope you don’t mind me throwing my two cents in, here. This my first post on this site.
I just thought that I would mention that the bust was part of a much larger investigation taking months, as some of you may already know, and that there were over 200 individuals arrested including other “high profile” individuals.
There will be calls from the public for him to step down but, the only authority that Kraft will have to deal with will be in NFL. This is speculation but, I think he will go down…he’ll remove himself from ownership.
There is a distinct difference between the following: Intelligence, wealth, common sense.
I like to leave quotes, now and then, so here’s my first:
“Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.” – Eleanor Roosevelt
