Everybody else is emotionally crippled but not me. I’m fine. :nervous laugh:
When you are joking around of the set with Robin fucking Williams, and you SAY you enjoyed it, then maybe, possibly you were having fun, no?
Or was that badwrongfun? :rolleyes:
Sure. Like astorian, you seem inexplicably fixated on trying to argue with me about a claim I haven’t actually made.
I haven’t seen anybody in this thread claiming that Pam Dawber was lying or mistaken when she said she enjoyed Williams’ sexual joking, and I’m certainly not making any such claim.
But the crucial part there is that Dawber said that she enjoyed the joking. Not the fact that the joker happened to be “Robin fucking Williams”, or any similar star-struck credulous assumption that because the joker was somebody famous and funny then obviously whatever he did must have been okay. :rolleyes:
If so, what is your point? My point is that Robin wasnt a "groper’ he was a funny man who did funny things and Pam thought those things were OK. So exactly what* is* your point here?
Are you talking about the general issue? If so, that’s really Great Debates time. What we are talking about is Robin Fucking Williams and what he did. And what he did wasn’t wrong, wasnt sexual harassment, and wasnt “groping” as we consider it today.
Have you read the whole thread? I didn’t start any of these subjects that I’ve posted on in this thread: I replied, first to posts by aceplace57 and astorian, and then to posts by others who in some cases seem to have misunderstood my replies to aceplace57 and astorian.
If you want to know what the “point” is of discussing any of these subjects in this thread, ask the people who originally brought them up. If you’re just junior-modding with complaints that posters in this thread shouldn’t be discussing anything except the behavior of Robin Williams, well, thank you for your input and it has been duly noted.
There were plenty of plantation owners who were shocked in the latter part of the Civil War when the American Army passed by and their slaves ran off to follow them.
The shock was because the owners had “known” that their slaves were happy on the plantation. They never complained and if you asked them, they always assured their owners that they loved the plantation.
As per Mod instructions, my reply to your post is in this thread in The Pit.
Here’s the story:
Show me where Pam said she minded, or was offended. Or needed “prior consent” (which, you never know she may well have given.)
“I had the grossest things done to me by him,” Pam Dawber told New York Times writer David Itzkoff (via The Daily Mail). “And I never took offense. I mean I was flashed, humped, bumped, grabbed. I think he probably did it to a lot of people … but it was so much fun.”*
I dont go to the PIT.
You seem to be implying there are two different standards. That it’s okay when some men do this but it’s not okay when other men do it.
That’s not true. It’s always wrong. It always has been wrong. But some men got away with doing wrong because of their power.
That was my point. If you point a gun at somebody and tell them to give you your wallet, they probably will do it and you’ll walk away with their money. But the lesson isn’t “How come it’s okay to take somebody’s money when you have a gun but it’s not okay when you’re unarmed?”
What you seem to be saying is that Ms Dawber isnt allowed free will, that she should refrain from enjoying and having fun in activities that to are badwrongfun. You know telling woman that they arent allowed to enjoy certain activities is also male harassment.
It’s always wrong to do these things without the other person’s consent. But some guys have a lot easier time getting consent than others.
Good point.
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I keep parsing this thread’s title as “Robin Williams was a grouper”.
As a result, I keep picturing him as a large fish.
And if you had told him that, he’d have given you 10 minutes of comedy gold.
No, s/he is saying that women do not always feel free to express displeasure. But **I will **go on public record as saying women should not engage in or promote inappropriate contact in the work place, whether they enjoy it or not.
I have no doubt that Mr. Williams was very entertaining on set. I can believe Ms. Dawber found him entertaining.
But … that (total imaginary) little 18 year old production assistant that got flashed and grabbed? Maybe not. S/he’s the one I worried about.
Because no one, including Ms. Dawber, seems to have said, “Hey, Robin? The line?” and pointed two feet behind him, as I had to do at times. Or told the [imaginary] PA, “You know, I can complain about a hostile work environment because of the way you are being treated. … No, I know you’re not offended, but I still might, if it gets worse, because it is unprofessional.”