Ronald Reagan's Birthday

[MrDibble]

@Curtis LeMay

Supporting South Africa=/=Racist.

Supporting the Apartheid regime was supporting the brutal oppression of the majority of South Africa’s people. Who just so happened to be not white. QED - de facto racist in outcome, if not intent. Not that Reagan wasn’t racist, that’s been shown time and again, not just in foreign policy but also in his election speeches. “State’s Rights” in the South? Please!

[Qin_Shi_Huangdi]

@MrDibble

Supporting the Apartheid regime was supporting the brutal oppression of the majority of South Africa’s people. Who just so happened to be not white. QED - de facto racist in outcome, if not intent. Not that Reagan wasn’t racist, that’s been shown time and again, not just in foreign policy but also in his election speeches. “State’s Rights” in the South? Please!

He also renewed the civil rights laws-the “states’ rights” stuff was just campaign rhetoric.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

Like when he directed the Justice Department to support Bob Jones University’s bid to regain tax exempt status? Or opposed the Civil Rights Restoration Act (not to mention opposing the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts)? Or opposed equal housing opportunity legislation as governor?

[Qin_Shi_Huangdi]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

Like when he directed the Justice Department to support Bob Jones University’s bid to regain tax exempt status? Or opposed the Civil Rights Restoration Act (not to mention opposing the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts)? Or opposed equal housing opportunity legislation as governor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_position_of_Ronald_Reagan

In 1980 Reagan said the Voting Rights Act was “humiliating to the South,”[37] although he later supported extending the Act.[38] He opposed Fair Housing legislation in California (the Rumford Fair Housing Act),[39] but in 1988 signed a law expanding the Fair Housing Act of 1968.[40] Reagan was unsuccessful in trying to veto another civil rights bill in March of the same year.[41] Reagan supported South Africa in spite of apartheid, but yielded to pressure from Congress.[42] At first Reagan opposed the Martin Luther King holiday, and signed it only after an overwhelming veto-proof majority (338 to 90 in the House of Representatives and 78 to 22 in the Senate) voted in favor of it.[43] Congress overrode Reagan’s veto of the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988.[41][44] Reagan said the Restoration Act would impose too many regulations on churches, the private sector and state and local governments.[45]

Reagan did not consider himself a racist, and dismissed any attacks aimed at him relating to racism as attacks on his personal character and integrity.[32]

In general he seems to have ended up supporting most civil rights legislation.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

Did you read that before you quoted it?

[GIGObuster]

@Curtis LeMay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_position_of_Ronald_Reagan
In general he seems to have ended up supporting most civil rights legislation.

Of course, we should ignore the insignificant detail that even your cite points that usually he ended up doing it only after there was no good way for him to continue opposing it. :rolleyes:

[MrDibble]

@Curtis LeMay

In general he seems to have ended up supporting most civil rights legislation.

No, in general he had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to any possible pro-CR legislation.

[Qin_Shi_Huangdi]

Not really, he continued to oppose some civil rights legislation even after Congress passed it thus it seems to have been very much conviction.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

Did you forget which side you’re arguing?

[Qin_Shi_Huangdi]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

Did you forget which side you’re arguing?

My point is that Ronald Reagan did not oppose all or even most civil rights legislation.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

Your own quote directly contradicts that position.

[Qin_Shi_Huangdi]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

Your own quote directly contradicts that position.

Which is because Reagan changed his mind on many laws and the states’ rights stuff as said was mostly campaign rhetoric.

[MrDibble]

@Curtis LeMay

Which is because Reagan changed his mind on many laws

He didn’t change his mind, he was just overruled.

and the states’ rights stuff as said was mostly campaign rhetoric.

Suuuuure it was.:rolleyes:

[Qin_Shi_Huangdi]

@MrDibble

He didn’t change his mind, he was just overruled:

If he was really opposed he would have vetoed it anyways.

[Robot_Arm]

@Curtis LeMay

If he was really opposed he would have vetoed it anyways.

If it was clear that the veto would be overridden, why bother?

[Qin_Shi_Huangdi]

@Robot_Arm

If it was clear that the veto would be overridden, why bother?

Than why did he in reality did veto a bill that was going to be overriden by Congress (see my cite)?

[MrDibble]

@Curtis LeMay

If he was really opposed he would have vetoed it anyways.

Because he bowed to pressure from his party, who knew how it would look - some of them had re-elections to worry about.

BTW, your cite doesn’t exist.