Apparently. In the trailer, Aragorn is seen telling Gandalf, “He has gone unchallenged long enough.” Which would indicate to me that Aragorn is referring to himself taking a peek in the Palantir to challenge Sauron. This scene apparently didn’t make the TE cut (did anything in the trailer make it into the theatrical edition!??) so it will probably be in the EE.
I don’t think this is much of a spoiler, but I’ll throw it in a spoiler box anyway.
No, I think the “he has gone unchallenged” line is still in there - but doesn’t have anything to do with Aragorn looking into the Palantir. I could be wrong and remembering a trailer and not the movie, but I think I remember when this line occurs, and it isn’t then. I doubt this plot point got written in other than a throwaway line or two (Merry says “Pippin, don’t you understand. He thinks YOU have the ring” or something to that end.
BBF however will be very happy. This is a pervy hobbit fanciers movie. Those elf groupies are going to be disappointed. Lots of time with the hobbits, little time with the elf. And surprisingly, for a movie titled Return of the King, not a whole lot of Aragorn. (That could be a perception thing on my part, being an Aragorn groupie myself) We left thinking they should have renamed it “Triumph of the Hobbits.” Now that would get the purists going.
Dangerosa, you are the bearer of magnificent news…I’m going to run off to find the proper elven words to thank you…
::imagine large pause and a lot of page flipping here::
Aha!
Rather than starting yet another ROTK thread (and I know the main review thread will begin tomorrow night!), I’d like to ask those lucky few who have seen it already:
When’s a good time for a potty break? In the previous films, any appearance of Arwen was my cue to head for the head; is that true this time around? If not, when?
I haven’t seen it either pugluvr but im headed for the potty as soon as i see Arwen this time around also, from all ive heard i won’t be missing anything important and i might actually enjoy the movie more.
another slight spoiler with my opinion on potty breaks
Yeah, they seriously warped (continued to warp) the Elrond/Arwen/Aragorn storyline. I’d leave when Elrond shows up at the camp in Rohan (!) and just know that Aragorn gets the sword and has to take the Paths of the Dead to call in the debt. Then you won’t need to hold your hands over your ears and sing “lalalalalalalalala.” (Unless you are a Hugo Weaving groupie, in which case this is where he gets screen time).
my non spoiler opinion. I dropped off my coat in my seat and took my break before the movie started. Made it through the whole thing (didn’t have anything to drink in the theatre, did have a drink with pizza before heading in). I’d hate for someone to miss out on something that I didn’t think was cool because of my recommendation.
[spoiler]So Elrond arrives to “drop off” Elendil’s sword? And to scold his daughter and brow-beat Aragorn?
I despise Elrond, the character - no matter how PJ portrays him. Surely Elrond the coward doesn’t show up at the Pellenor Fields? Or the Gates of Mordor?
Gahr. Can a fictional character be ‘Pit’-ed?
[spoiler]
Turns out, Arwen’s fate is connected to the Ring. As Sauron’s power grows, she dies. She can only be saved if the Ring is destroyed.
So Elrond reforges the sword and brings it to Aragorn, telling him to save his daughter. With the sword, the Dead (who are VERY cool - nice job on the Dead) will recognize the heir of Gondor and fight. Then he leaves and you don’t see him again until he gets on the boat at the end. So you don’t have to put up with him or the world’s oldest petulant teenager actually fighting. (Thank God).
If you go to the bathroom when Elrond shows up, you can miss the diviation and be no worse for wear.
Oh, bullpuckey!
Please tell me you’re pulling our leg in that spoiler box, Dangerosa!
I can live with less Aragorn (I’m convinced he both smells and has never seen soap of any sort), but the whole thing with Arwen’s fate being attatched to the Ring will probably kill me. I can see incorporating her love story in a little from the appendices, but that’s just ridiculous!
I’d love to see a shot of this in the movie…someone picks up the palantir after it falls away from Denethor’s pyre, sees the image of flaming hands inside.
Not likely to happen, but it’s a nice shot for the movie in my mind.
Yes, please do, Dangerosa!
(sorry about my spoiler box slip before. This is a spoiler thread so hopefully NBD?)
Elrond is crushed by a huge Pythonesque foot.
I like it like that.
Nope. Not kidding. But if you time your bathroom trip properly, you can pretend most of it didn’t happen. Otherwise, whenever you see Elrond or Arwen (except the end, which was pretty much as I pictured it), close your eyes and think of England.
There is some early Elrond/Arwen crap, but its too short and too early for a bathroom break. Possibly a good time to see if any messages have come in on your cell phone - send any vital text messages - or check off the last things on your Christmas shopping list. But don’t stick a fork in your eye, the Dead are coming, and they are cool.
Yeah, never been a fan of long unwashed hair myself…but there is something hot about that unshowered look from a nice clean theatre where you don’t need to smell it. However, I’ve decided my deep crush is on Faromir, who is manly and relatively clean. (not much of him either, or Eomer…nope its a pervy hobbit fanciers movie, not much for us who are into elves or men or dwarves).
jsc1953
Denethor’s palantir is nowhere to be seen.
squeegee, glee
Aragorn wrests the palantir from Pip’s hands and holds it for a few seconds before dropping it. It’s not the deliberate provocation that it is in the book, but it’s still gives Sauron a glimpse of Isildur’s heir. I believe Gandalf makes a passing reference to that fact.
Polycarp,
The seeing-stone of the Tower Hills went to the West, so you can stop looking for it. You might, however, be able to get some use out of the Anor-stone, if you’re strong enough to bend it to your will. It would probably help if you were descended from Numenorean kings.
Dangerosa,
Pervy Wizard Fanciers should enjoy it, too. Sir Ian has some good scenes.
Oh, well. Hopefully it’ll be in the remake, 30 years or so down the road. 
That’ll be after PJ releases his Hobbit and Silmarillion? 
Ooh…there’s a potential discussion! The Silmarillion casting thread!
Ow! Stop it! Ouch!
runs
I was actually thinking that this morning…actually, I was thinking that pervy mature older gentlemen fanciers would like it. Theoden gets some good scenes as well. Not many, but for a supporting cast member - I think he gets more time than Gimli.
Eowyn and Theoden’s “love story” works so much better than the Aragorn/Arwen one. I suspect they were struggling for some sort of conflict (hey, I’d settle for chemistry) in the Aragorn/Arwen story.