Not paying the fine does not lead to deportation. Green card status is dependent on paying the fine. Provisional legalization occurs the second the legislation is signed and requires no action on the part of illegals.
More creative definitions.
http://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=eb728e23-c9f7-4f17-b0dc-6dcf867d8214
**FACT: If the proposed immigration bill does pass, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who do not qualify for temporary legal status will be subject to deportation. The legislation also provides for enhanced punishment as well as increased funding for deportation of future illegal immigrants. **
That’s a small minority, presumably criminals. And even there, the administration has waiver authority.
The fact is, today 11 million immigrants live under the fear of being deported. The second the President signs immigration reform legislation, 10 million of them will never have to fear it again.
If they make efforts to pay the fine and follow the regulations imposed. And again, your waiver point is really silly when one looks at what Rubio reports.
Rubio reports that he’s willing to try to improve the bill, especially on the waiver power granted to the executive branch. That’s him fulfilling his promise to Tea Partiers. He’s listening to our conerns and taking them back to the Gang of Eight. If the Gang won’t improve the bill, then he’ll walk away. Something else he promised to do early in the process.
Continuing to depend on manufactured definitions and blissfully minimize the divisions of the Republicans is not working, Hispanics are noticing, and even more so if Rubio and others walk out.
And so do all others that will be appalled by the poison pill effort shown now, not likely to attract anyone that just wants to do the most humane thing.
I’m seeing no poison pills in any of the amendments. Just attempts to codify what the reformers say will happen anyway. If it’s what they support, why not codify it? especially given that empty promises were made in 1986? Trust, but verify.
Once again, they should had add them before. Once again Hispanics are not impressed. What I see is stalling besides the addition of more costs that will make less palatable to House republicans.
Of course they should have been added before, but six of the eight gang members don’t want enforcement at all, thus putting enforcement in with one hand while taking it out with the other.
So now it will be added in, the bill will pass, a million or two people will be deported, 9 or 10 million will begin a path to citizenship, and Hispanics can make of that what they will.
That still leaves unresolved the question of legal immigration in the future. Unions made sure that only a small number of people can come in and get jobs legally, which in effect means that future legal immigration will be slowed to a trickle. And that was at an important democratic constituency’s request, not the Republicans.
And we had this conversation before, even here you are way off the mark regarding the numbers of future immigrants, but it is not my problem if you want to continue to post half baked points.
Your case was that immigration will decline, but if it does, there’s no need for caps.
If there are mass deportations because of a Democratic policy, that won’t look good to Hispanics, especially since Republicans tend to support a lot of immigration for work purposes.
Irrelevant, we are not discussing that, only that your case is half baked, the numbers you are implying are not correct regarding future immigration.
As for deportations, the Republicans then are fighting among themselves in this issue and Hispanics know already that there is going to be a huge difference on who is in the white house once the law is passed because the Republicans continue to give Hispanics evidence of what many Republicans think about Hispanic immigrants.
http://nbclatino.com/2013/06/03/gop-report-republicans-have-failed-young-latino-voters/
Well, so much for encouraging moderates.
Hold on a second. Let me break into your losing debate against Senator Rubio himself and point this out: Democrats control 2 of 3 branches of government, the plurality of people in the country voted for us, most people agree with our idea of immigration reform, and the GOP will essentially die out as a national party if you don’t pass this bill. What makes you think you deserve to get a bill with everything you want?
The president should have the power to waive whatever he wants. Given the varied circumstances of 11 million people, you cannot write a law that takes into account every type of exception. Might I suggest that if you don’t like it, then win a god damn presidency? Otherwise, continue piling dirt on the grave of the GOP as a national party. You think you are defending your bill but all you are doing is showing Latinos exactly why they should never vote for the GOP
You simply have to accept that you lost and give up some things. You want to win the presidency? Fine, then abandon your hopes of enforcement first, embrace amnesty or whatever you call it, and then you can have a chance at winning the White House. Keep doing what you’re doing and we’ll be here in 4 years arguing against you about how terrible a Hillary Clinton presidency will be for the nation
From your keyboard to the GOP’s ear. Seriously. How about we actually have a reasonable opposition party in this country again? You know, one that actually offers options to govern instead of blinding opposing everything (including stuff they were once for).
The GOP is the part of law and order. That’s not something they can compromise on, and frankly it’s worked for them.
I realize Democrats would rather just have an immigration system where the President can pick favorites, going easy on Democratic groups and harassing and deporting Republican groups, but it’s not gonna happen.
If Democrats don’t like enforcement, then they should propose open borders and relegate themselves to the permanent minority. Rather than lying to the public and saying they support enforcement while not doing it in practice.
Abortion, gay marriage, and the Voting Rights Act are legal, yet the GOP has been doing everything it can, including passing illegal bills restricting abortion, like it was a bodily function. I imagine that if I were to ask you another time, you’d say the GOP was the party of family values and morals. So you’re not? Then you are against keeping families together and for punishing children who were brought here without their consent when they were babies
LOL! Republican groups? What Republican groups are actively trying to immigrate here? I’d like you to list some “Republican” immigrants and some “Democratic” immigrants please, this should be good…
There you go again 
Its always your way or the highway, isn’t it? It is impossible for you to entertain the idea that your idea of enforcement is not the only one that exists, nor the correct one.
Democrats are for enforcement, but they believe, like anyone who’s ever done 2 things at once, that enforcement can happen at the same time as reform. Also, Obama has deported a lot more people than Bush and, as it has been mentioned, increased our border security. More so, if I may remind you, than the guy who was actually governor of a border state. Therefore, your premise is wrong and your conclusion is wrong. The Democratic version of enforcement is the better solution, unless of course, you belong to a party angrily courting Latinos while secretly still afraid of them and dislike them
The Republicans control the House. Nothing happens without their consent. So the final bill will have real enforcement and the administration will not be able to choose not to enforce.
Really, it’s not too much to ask. This would not be controversial if Democrats weren’t trying to deceive the public. Enforcement where only 5% of illegals get sent back is a mockery. It needs to get to 90%. And we are entirely capable of doing that if we start with a clean slate, as in give provisional status to all currently here, while efficiently deporting those who don’t qualify and preventing people from overstaying their visas going forward.
NO.
Unless, you want to throw also Rand Paul under the bus too.
Or course we’re not going to deport 11 million people. Thus the need to legalize the bulk of them and start with a clean slate.
But once we start with that clean slate, we have to have a system that doesn’t allow millions to come here illegally again. And I think Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio agree with that. I’m not so sure Democrats do, however.
So much for the 5% deportation mockery and the “deception of the democrats” when a libertarian in congress is for it, do you ever really think what you say before dropping it on the next post?