Right. Maybe a better answer for Bricker is one where US authorities clearly were in a position to detect the problem from the start. Remember thesalmonella contaminated spinach last year? The contamination was detected by a Department of Agriculture test.
Not that the yokels who support the congresscritters perpetuating this shutdown are capable of wrapping their pea-sized, Old Confederacy-addled little brains around the significance of this point.
Is your Google machine broked? The former:
The latter: Craig T. Nelson famously said that he was on both food stamps and welfare and did anyone help him out? No!
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/the_craig_t_nelson_problem030622.php
Here ya go. There are lots of these examples.
ETA- Ninja’ed!
Thanks.
Anybody got a cite for the other one?
That’s a picture of a sign. Who’s holding it? Is it a conservative? Based on the eyes of the woman (which is all we can see) I think she’s in on the joke.
Nice two-pronged approach: “that quote isn’t real! And even if it was, it’s true!” As noted in Ravenman’s link, the “keep your government hands off my Medicare!” quote comes from Republican Bob Inglis, who had it yelled at him by a constituent during a town hall.
There’s also Reagan economic advisor (and otherwise smart guy) Arthur Laffer, who infamously said “*f you like the post office and the Department of Motor Vehicles and you think they’re run well, just wait till you see Medicare, Medicaid and health care done by the government.”
So Slate set up an email inbox where people can send examples. chatterbox@slate.com. Where do you they post them?
Are we to pretend you actually care whether some conservative or another said this stupid thing? Surely your response will be that this person doesn’t reflect a significant portion of the GOP base.
That is your most pathetic response yet. Something in her eyes told you she wasn’t a conservative??
The author of the article, Matthew Continetti, wrote: “But is it actually that silly to tell your elected representatives to “keep their government hands off” Medicare? . . . When people make this argument - and they probably don’t make it as often as is commonly accepted - they really are saying that they are comfortable with existing arrangements, and don’t want Washington messing around with things. Not a bad instinct to have.”
Mr. Continetti is directly and clearly saying that people should not laugh when “Government out of my Medicare!” comes up, because he believes the people saying such things have a valid point. He’s going BEYOND just saying that phrase, he’s explaining the underlying validity of it. He’s also specifically acknowledging that people actually use that phrase, and its variants.
I’ve more than fulfilled your request for a cite. It’s like you just asked for a dollar, I gave you a five, and you’re asking where your four quarters are.
He said that a constituent said that to him. He said this on the same day that Obama shared the same anecdote, according to that Slate article. It sounds like he was “borrowing” Obama’s story.
It’s a cute story, but I don’t think it’s real.
That video gotcha is just a talking head mis-speaking. He corrects himself mid-sentence and says “health care” instead of “medicare/medicaid” which I think is what he meant to say in the first place.
People say dumb things all the time. Professing that nobody in the history of ever has said a particular dumb thing is a losing bet. Besides which, as has been pointed out, this particular thing isn’t even all that dumb.
I have no idea who she is and if she’s conservative. But she looks like she’s laughing while holding the sign. It’s got a hammer and a sickle on it for crying out loud. I think it’s a joke.
It’s very simple. The claim you guys make all the time is that conservatives routinely call for the government to get out of medicare and this is proof that people don’t know the government actually runs medicare and are stupid, or something.
I’m just asking for proof of this claim. It’s a meme that’s been around for ages, so cites of Liberals referring to it are legion. I’m just asking for proof that conservatives actually believe this. I’m not seeing much so far.
Apologies, but I have no idea who Matthew Continetti is. He writes for Slate, but he’s a conservative?
I read his article, and I get the point he’s making. But it’s a different point than the silly one that Liberals often accuse those dumb Conservatives of making.
You link to a post saying that conservatives routinely call for the government to get out of Medicare, and then we’ll talk, m’kay?
I’ve made no bet. A claim was made. I asked for a cite of said claim. This is Great Debates. Given the amount and volume of Liberals complaining about conservatives saying this it must be very common, right?
Post #184 of this thread. Hentor said this is the thinking of “many conservatives”. I guess two is many? 'Cause that’s all we’ve got so far and one of them was clearly mis-speaking and one of them writes for Slate and I’ve never heard of him.
Cite that liberals claim that this is a “very common” complaint first. Also, I know you didn’t make a bet. It would be silly to do so, because it’s an obviously losing bet. And anyway, these discussions about “X person said dumb thing”/“No they didn’t; prove it”/“OK, here are two examples”/“Two examples?! You said this was common! I need hundreds!”/etc. are fruitless and boring. Aren’t you almost falling asleep at your keyboard even trying to debate this?
edit: by the way, the “I was on food stamps and nobody helped me!” guy was Craig Nelson. I saw him say it on the Daily Show. There are clips online if you’re curious.
That’s not what he said:
Some of them say it.