Remind me to show you the difference between a worm and a fish.
Both.
They aren’t mutually exclusive or conflicting in any way. Not sure why this is confusing you so much.
Did you miss the point where Bricker was telling you you were wrong?
Bricker(in case you missed it): By denying that you asked for a cite and you got a cite that was precisely what you requested, you’re looking intransigent or worse.
“They don’t say it, and when they say it they mean something else.” :rolleyes:
HEY! That’s what I want to ensure too!
Who’d have thought that I’d share ANY goals with the fucking Tea Party? 
Where do you think the rest of us find the patience to deal with your request for cites about this or that, people providing a whole raft of them, and then you refusing to acknowledge that we fulfilled your request and that you continue to be right as you think you were all along? You think that debate style is a walk in the park for everyone else?
Welcome to the current version of the Republican party. We’ve been trying to tell you that this is what you get when you court the crazy. Now that you’ve seen what we see, please just keep your eyes open and you’ll see a whole lot more.
Conservatives, in many instances, believe that the government can do nothing right. This is what they’re told over and over; the government screws up everything it touches.
I think the real criticism comes from the fact that they like their (government) healthcare and don’t what the government to make changes because the government can’t do anything correctly. It’s an exercise in double-think that points to the disconnect (some) conservatives have that progressives are trying to point out, IMHO.
It’s really simple. Someone made two claims. I asked for a cite for both. One was cited and I simply said “thanks”. Maybe I should have elaborated with praise or something, but I really don’t think that’s necessary.
The other claim was that some conservatives don’t realize Medicare is run by the government. This has yet to be shown. Matthew Continetti’s article does state that government should keep its hands off Medicare. But this isn’t due to ignorance on his part, which is the whole point. As the cites to this thread have shown, these urban legends of conservatives saying to keep government out of medicare date back to the early 1990’s and Clinton’s early attempts at healthcare reform.
It’s a myth, until I see proof otherwise.
Are you denying that at a town hall meeting, a person told Congressman Ingliss to keep government out of Medicare?
I’m saying that we’ve seen no cite of this occurring. Maybe it did. Who knows? If it happened, prove it.
Politicians love to tell stories. He claimed that happened on the same day that Obama told the same story except that Obama’s was a letter from a voter.
Half of the cute stories politicians tell these days “aren’t intended to be factual statements”.
What we have here is a meme. Evidence that the meme is true can’t just be that lots of people repeat the meme. You need a first hand account of it actually occurring to begin with.
Heh. In other words, you want the long-form transcript of the town hall? Maybe a video?
I guess Art Laffer isn’t a conservative either. The incident with John Breuax must be a myth as well (although it isn’t clear what the woman’s political leanings were).
This whole derailing is asinine. I said that some conservatives say things like… and then gave two samples of the “like” that I was referring to. However, you’ve been given cites for conservatives saying those very things. So, my general statement about the type of thing conservatives say is supported, as are the two specific examples.
Bricker is not calling for you to show patience, Debaser. He’s suggesting you try to show some integrity.or
Yes. That would do nicely. Of course, even then if it’s recent it might just be wisecracking liberals repeating the meme because they think it’s funny. But then at least we’d have something to talk about.
Yes. That’s a feature, not a bug. I wanted to call you out for your insulting and unsupported smear on conservatives and I’ve done it. I should keep doing it whenever people try and repeat the meme in GD.
No. One of them was cited, which I accepted immediately. The other we just have cites of people repeating the meme. Saying it’s true because lots of people say it’s true isn’t good enough.
If this is something some conservatives say as you claim, you would be able to prove it.
So your position is that until proven otherwise, you think Republican Congressman Bob Inglis is fabricating a story.
And that pictures of people holding signs might not be conservatives because you can see their eyes and they don’t look sincere.
Please stop me if I’m getting any of this wrong.
You need video documentation? Okay, just don’t ignore it again this time.
Everything is a lie, except what RW media tell him. It’s easy if you just accept that one law.
Yes. I think a politician may be making up an anecdote. Shocking as it is to accuse a politician of dishonesty.
There’s been exactly one picture posted to the thread not multiple. You couldn’t see the face of the person or the background or anything. Who knows who that was. But it looked like a joke to me. It’s a meme.
Let us not forget, those people are victims, manipulated by cynics for their own ends. Once the thing is up and running, and they benefit therefrom, they will still hate Obama, but for other reasons they don’t quite understand. Of course, if they are in fact on Medicare, Obamacare will have virtually no impact on them at all. At which point, they will most likely believe that they stopped him.