I wasn’t talking to you. What is so complicated?
Of course it is not a waste of time. It is an off ramp for the west and Ukraine as well:
From your link:
Only (c) appears to be one that deserves some clarification since all of Crimea is part of the Russian Federation now.
(a) halting the military build-up near Ukraine’s border
(b) deployment of international monitors in eastern Ukraine to protect the rights of Russian speakers,
(c) the return of Russian troops in Crimea to their bases there.
I was informing you of your error. And now you are doubling down on it.
When you posted this today at 01:43 PM in direct response to my (Post 17239907) …
… am I supposed to know somehow that when you ask me a question it means that you are not TALKING TO ME?
It was Post #2057 where you cited my post and asked me the question:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17240004&postcount=2057
But you specifically left out that question when you first replied to that post. Why am I supposed to know that your later response that quotes a comment I directed towards someone else was related to something that I said to you earlier in a different context?
[QUOTE=NotfooledbyW;17239695. . . I certainly see no fault with referring to XT personal slur against me . . .
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So once again XT Mace Human Action have chosen to slur me personally . . .[/QUOTE]
If you wish to feel insulted, go ahead and feel that way. If you wish to respond in (what you believe to be) kind, open a thread in The BBQ Pit.
You have not been insulted in the manner that is a violation of the rules in this forum and if you continue to harp on this false accusation, you will be Warned for hijacking or threadshitting, depending on how you choose to do it.
Stick to the actual discussion and quit making up claims that “slurs” have been cast against you.
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In other news: The USA is sole nay vote on UN resolution passed yesterday regarding something or other to do with the Palestinians. Who really gives a shit about these UN things? The USA certainly doesn’t.
And this is one of the reasons why it is not in the best interest of the USA to alienate Russia: S-400 missile system to China. Next up will be the otherwise scrapped sale of the S-300 to Iran. If you actively work on sanctioning Russia what leverage do you have to prevent it?
And IMF just pressed Ukraine to shock raise the price of gas by 50% at the consumers, starting from next month in return for loans to pay off debt repayment on other loans. Ukrainians are going to feel like they’re the ones being sanctioned. All part of the West’s Hearts and Minds strategy I’m sure. If the EU had been serious in its commitments to Ukraine it would have provided that money as an aid donation. It’s a minor percentage of what is wasted annually on farm subsidies.
On 03-27-2014 at 02:21 PM XT wrote:
I am not comfortable about having anything about my good name and my argument being associated with the word ‘rogue’ in my corner and on my side. My arguments are based upon my independent research on the issues of the day. If you can find any matter of rogue in my corner please feel free to prove it.
As for the vote at the UN If I were given the authority to vote I would have abstained or not voted at all. The thing was purely ceremonial. So I have no association with any nation that voted ‘no’.
On 03-28-2014 at 02:20 PM John Mace wrote:
If John Mace is aware that I have woken up surrounded by pigs that is odd because I have never woken up surrounded by any farm ammonals… I do have a dog but she sleeps in another room. Since this is a debate forum I would like to know how an accusation suggesting I bed down with pigs has anything to do with the arguments that have been presented here.
We need more reporting on the negotiations that took place between the EU and Yanukovich on the size of the amount of financial aid and loans that Ukraine was to get for pulling away from Russia. I read that Yanukovich was led down the primrose path by the EU with all kinds of economic sweeteners but when the it came time to sign the deal the wording and the fine print was literally a financial screwing of Ukraine that Ukrainians would be unable to bear. It didn’t help that Yanukovich was most likely himself a thief… but the EU bankers and lawyers setting up the deal to lure Ukraine away from Russia is not much different than thieving too.
It certainly is a mess and how convenient that all the thieves involved have Putin to kick around as the big mastermind villain.
It does not matter because I did not say you addressed your answer to me.
On 03-29-2014 at 05:01 PM I posted this:
You can’t be serious.
Why not? There is no relationship to this discussion or topic on where I sleep or who with I sleep. I don’t sleep with pigs. There is no truth to any suggestion that I do.
DO you have anything to say regarding this topic. I would love to hear what you have to say on topic.
I am not interested in attempting to communicate with you. Your posts are written in such a sloppy, slipshod manner that it is extremely difficult to determine what you are trying to say, and they demonstrate that you do not understand what others are saying to you. Frankly, I’m amazed that anyone still tries to engage you.
I’m simply amused. Go look up “figure of speech”, and then send a scathing email to your old English teacher for not acquainting you with the concept.
Check. You don’t have anything to say on this topic. If you do please come back. I am not the only one here.
On 03-29-2014 at 01:01 PM I posted this point:
On 03-29-2014 at 01:43 PM CarnalK responded to that point:
I wonder if Carnalk has evidence or reporting that the “changed leadership in Kiev” maintained control of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea in anyway once the leadership was changed? I have seen no reporting that suggests that the central government did maintain control of Crimea with central government police or military units.
A sensible Sunday read: How Vladimir Putin became evil
What we are seeing is the usual drop off of interest when a ‘crisis’ reverts from the ‘on the verge of war and bloodshed’ to the ‘diplomatic stage’ which apparently bores a lot of people.
I like the diplomatic stage. It s most interesting and the period when more truth comes out than ever.
Dmitry Vostok
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_25/Russia-and-US-have-many-areas-to-cooperate-in-political-analyst-7275/
Does anyone object to Kerry meeting with Lavrov without demanding that Crimea be returned to Ukraine?
Last I heard Russia had been sent to detention by the G7. Yeah, really.
What do you know, turns out not the wheels of diplomacy continue to turn.
Yeah I was sure this would be the end of diplomacy. My mistake but I am so glad we are entering the truthful time.
That’s a pretty useless read, it goes on for a few paragraphs of irrelevance about how Russia had a bloodier time with their former satellite states in the past without raising the west’s ire, then concludes:
[QUOTE=The generally idiotic op-ed piece]
If the US insists on using the Nato magnet to attract the Ukraine, it is likely that Moscow will detach the eastern part of the country. Those who really value Ukrainian sovereignty should opt for real independence and a positive neutrality: neither a plaything of the west nor Moscow.
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Which is completely removed from reality. In the end, if the Ukraine stays out of NATO/EU forever, it’s likely to get eaten by its neighbor to the east someday. If NATO wants to expand and countries want to join, more power to them. If Russia doesn’t like it, hard cheese for them. NATO only threatens them if they’re intending on attacking a member. If all their neighbors are interested in joining NATO, they should probably ask themselves why membership looks so attractive to anyone situated on their border.
Seriously, I don’t understand why Russia would be so interested in their former satellites not joining NATO unless Russia was intending to attack them. If Russia isn’t planning to attack them, then who cares who your neighbors go war game with? NATO isn’t a threat to Russia except in reaction to Russia attacking a member.
Whether it’s wise for NATO to allow an individual former USSR member to join is another discussion that should revolve around the country in question.
Translation: Here’s something I agree with.
Any attempt to analyze the current situation without reference to The Budapest Memorandum isn’t worth the electrons it’s disseminated with.