It is interesting to not that Ukrainian Jews are apparently not nearly as concerned abut “fascists” in Ukraine as Putin and his foreign apologists are.
Do you think any Western military power would have sat back and done nothing while its uniformed forces were under heavy artillery attack? You should expect your opinion writers to stick to the basic truths that are known to undergird an opinion.
Well, that’s YOUR opinion of events, heavily tinged by the Kool-Aid you’ve obviously been guzzling…and by the Russian view point which you have on everything.
Likewise Bush and Blair could have followed Putin and de Villepin’s advice, and mine, (I wrote to the White House) to allow the inspectors time to finish there work. That would achieve the security objective and most importantly it would have been achieved peacefully. Do you object to that peaceful outcome.
Crimea was in fact done in reaction to a rapidly unfolding event in Kiev which led to a second event in Crimea. That second event was in reaction to the first event in Kiev and it sparked a move for Crimea to separate ties from Ukraine. The invasion of Russian troops was on the invitation of Crimeans. If that invitation were accepted at the expensing if Crimean and Ukrainian injuries on some significant scale I certainly would oppose it but would support a UN resolution that would work something out diplomatically.
As it turns out It worked itself out diplomatically and I have no quarrel with the de facto acceptance that Crimea is reunited with Russia. I believe the move will long term help to stabilize the region and one proof of that is Ukrainian police shot and killed a top right wing nut job leader. They are paying attention to the problem that many ostriches here maintain does not exist.
How many times do I have to say that I protested against the Iraq war? How many times do we have to tell you that two wrongs don’t make a right? How many times do you have to be told that the west’s actions in Iraq do not justify Russia’s actions in Crimea?
OK. So if the Ukrainian army had responded to Russian actions with force (they’d have been justified to do so under international law) and we now had a war in our hands, Russia’s invasion would have been wrong? Putin’s actions were casus belli, only the restraint of the Ukrainian armed forces has prevented large-scale inter-state violence.
No it didn’t. As long as just a dozen countries in the entire world support Crimea’s status within Russia, the issue cannot be considered to have “worked itself out diplomatically”. Crimea’s status today is about as stable as Abkhazia’s or Northern Cyprus’
Check the facts and the EU Commissioned report that cost $15 million
And found Russia justified in reacting to the Georgian ambush and full scale assault on innocent civilians. But anyone uninformed enough to support the Invasion of Iraq will also not likely know what happened in South Ossetia in 2008. The desire to be informed must come from within.
Sorry. It’s worked out. diplomats have moved on to what happens in the rest Ukraine.
Sometimes it’s almost like talking to some sort of alien trying to talk to you. Here, let me break it down for you. Which part of ‘The 2008 invasion of Georgia sharply increased the popularity of Dmitri Medvedev, who was filling in as president for Putin’ do you dispute? Because that was the nitpick you had with the opinion cite. Are you claiming that Dmitri Medvedev’s popularity didn’t increase? That it did but had nothing to do with Russia’s invasion of Georgia and basically forcing the Georgian’s to back down?
And please, for the love of small furry animals, SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IRAQ ALREADY. I know that it’s sometimes hard to get through to you, but this thread ISN’T FUCKING ABOUT IRAQ. It has ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ. Would you kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IRAQ ALREADY?
Of course it was peaceful. Crimea invited the Russians in, remember? That’s the line you’re fighting against. If anything, that’s more ammo for him. Ukraine must’ve wanted it because they didn’t resist. Also, she was wearing a short skirt, and who hangs out next to Russia if they don’t want to be invaded?
FWIW, I haven’t met any left-wingers out here in southern California – I tend to hang with academics and scientists but also a few labor-union types – who think Putin is anything but a threat.
(Castro lost a lot of his appeal when Cuban troops were abroad in adventures in Angola. Liberals have any number of faults, but they generally don’t like military aggression.)
Yeah, we should definitely not allowed a lot of those former Soviet republics and eastern bloc countries to run to us for protection once the old Soviet Union folded, because that makes the current Russian government tense (that they won’t be able to force them back into the fold no doubt). I mean, it’s only been, what, 20+ years since the Soviets folded…?..the West is certainly poised to invade any time now. We were just waiting for them to get strong again, to make it sporting and all. 
Must say, the old emoticons would have made you post silly enough w/out any attempt at whatever humor you strive for…but now, in pink?!
Funny as shit if unintentional. :dubious:
I’m talking about your dishonestly biased source on the 2008 matter between Russia and Georgia. You brought that bias here. Of course it made Medvedev popular to defend Russian troops under attack by a US backed nutjobs with big time Weapond systems and his own little western fed army. Why wouldn’t it be popular to defend Russian troops under attack?
The Ukrainian military in Crimea didn’t invite the Russians in. They peacefully resisted the Russians taking over their bases for some time until they inevitably fell. I’m still amazed that none of those confrontations spiraled out of control, especially after a Ukrainian officer was killed.
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That’s funny, but the reality is that countries next to Russia bizarrely want NATO bases. Whyever could that be? After all, if they aren’t oppressing a Russian minority, what have they to fear?
The Ukraine military stationed in Crimea suddenly found themselves on Independent Crimean soil the moment Yanukivuch was violently and unconstitutionally removed from office. Putting their weapons down was indeed a good move during a constitutional crisis. Good for them.
That’s not technically true. It’s also idiotic but untrue first.
Nothing. Other than empty Western Promises from a broken economy.
Such is propaganda.
You’ve got a lot of nerve accusing others of guzzling Kool-Aid. That is not my opinion of events. It is the finding of an EU Commission that investigated and found Russia to be justified to respond.