Crimea’s deputy prime minister Rustam Temirgaliev announced that the Ukrainian armed forces have all but surrendered their military capabilities and that no active units remain in the Crimea.
“The entire Ukrainian armed forces stationed on the Crimean territory have been blocked
a number have been disarmed, while another big portion is switching to the Crimean side”
Interfax
Maybe it’s graves or maybe Putin is digging some sand bunkers for Obama for when he comes to play golf …
Can you at least tell us what your sources are so we can mock their lack of credibility?
Breaking
5000 Bandera guerillas heading to Kharkiv and civil defences ready to intercept
This is going to be messy
I have little to contribute, except:
1. Slavs
2. http://i.imgur.com/ERTAf2T.jpg
No problem. I’m following the thread but have family visiting this weekend so don’t hVe time to post more and take part in the thread.
Shhhh! Please… everybody – PIPE DOWN!
The prime minster of Australia ooohs and ahhhs the honerable, Tony Abbott is about speak on the Ukrainian matter: http://i.imgur.com/1FGocE0.jpg
Problem: SOLVED!
I’m sorry, don’t want to be rude, but are you insane?
… than Romney believed…Oops.
But the point still stands either way, since terrorism is a greater threat to the US than Russia or Mitt Romney, so I’m still correct no matter how you slice it!
That would depend on whether PUtin considers former Soviet Republics to be in the Russian sphere of influence even if they are NATO members. Remember, an attack on a NATO member is an attack on the United States.
I see Pidril Pidrilych is responding to typos but not to the meat of your argument.
It is not hard to understand why that is.
No, the argument isn’t as to whether the Russians were right to defend themselves from attack, no one is saying they are not, however, they did instigate the conflict in order to occupy Abkhazia and South Ossetia, it has nothing to do with being ‘Russophobic’ it has to do with Putin and his allies having done a repeated pattern of behvaiour and him establishing Russian hegemony in its near abroad, I do not understand why you cannot realise this whilst providing links to EU commission reports.
Live TV reports from Moscow, yeah, so why would it be in the Kremlins best interest to report of a South Ossestian militia provoking the Georgian armed forces? Do you not see the bias you claim I have myself in your own posts?
Let’s see the EU report you have given
It states,
Sakashvili was an idiot, but to allege that Putin wasn’t provoking such a confrontation from behind the scenes is ridiculous. If Russians were there to keep the peace there was no need to arm militia volunteers with substantial amounts of military equipment.
Ukraine is not a member of NATO. What on earth could be your point?
What do you call it when on the one hand someone gives the US and the President supreme universal powers to move heaven and earth at a whim, but then proceeds to criticize and ridicule the US and the President when they fail to exercise the magical abilities they never had?
Is it called being disingenuous, or is it just old fashioned bullshit?
American CBS TV crew robbed by Ukraine MOI troops patrolling the Crimea border who stole their body armour and then put it on themselves!
Sakaashvilli is more than an idiot - he ordered the killing of hundreds of human beings for no justifiable reason. No ongoing small arms fire disputes between Georgian landowners and South Ossetians were a sufficient provocation to justify the slaughter that Sakaashvilli ordered to start during the Olympics no less.
Putin’s build up on the border was not to annex two non-strategic pieces of land. It was in response to provocations from NATO which included US military advisers on the ground being financed by Western governments and energy and arms conglomerates such as James Baker’s group allied with the anti-Russian likes of slick George Soros to prepare Georgia’s military so that dysfunctional state could become a NATO Member
You want to bring up Putin’s reaction as the only provocation go ahead. I see the lack of objectivity in your western centric views.
I’m guessing here, but I would assume our friend adaher’s thinking is that if Putin sees Ukraine as being in the Russian sphere of influence because it is a former Soviet Republic does he view Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania the same way? After all, those three are member’s of NATO.
Like I said, I’m just guessing but if that is what was meant I have to admit it is a valid question.
No world power can ‘stop’ Putin from flexing his muscle and violating a sovereign nation’s territory if that is what Putin decides to do an there is no military capability to stop him. But you said the west cannot stop this from spiraling ‘out of control’ and I don’t see that at all.
Consider the west has a problem since the US invasion of Iraq was an atrocity committed by the west despite the fact that the UNSC and the agreed to inspection process had everything under control when the west decided to subvert that peaceful resolution and bomb, and invade and occupy a sovereign nation and pissing all over international law and the UNSC apparatus when they did it.
So now consider that Putin has ‘violated Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty’ in reaction to at least a perceived potential threat to the lives and health and well being of a good number of Russian speaking residents in the part of Ukraine where Putin has moved troops in or off the bases that have been established there for years. The government of Ukraine has just been non-democratically overturned and a new order has taken over. Hardly a beacon of democratic security and stability that Putin just decided on a whim to subvert and violate.
There’s those factors…
But another point is that this is not 'spiraling out of control so there is not much to stop yet.
The west should recognizes its own failings with regard to Iraq and allow some room for this to end with all diplomacy and peaceful resolution that we saw working in Iraq the couple of months prior to the US and UK massive bombing attack and ground invasion.
Bush and Blair did not go into Iraq peacefully… they bombed and sent in tanks with guns ablazing…
At this point Putin’s invasion has been walk in say hello and we are here to protect you until the mess in the rest of Ukraine gets itself smoothed out.
The only thing spiraling out of control is Russophobia… if you stand back and view the big picture going back to 2003 at least.
Firstly, you might be confusing “The West” with “The USA”. I believe that 5 foreign countries took part in the illegal invasion of Iraq. Not Germany, not France, not Sweden, not Austria, not Canada, and so on.
Secondly, of course Putin can be stopped. If NATO is forced to attack Russia, that’s the end of Putin. But of course there is not way they would risk a total war over this. That’s a very different reality from the “there is no military capability” picture you’re drawing
I could be a valid question but not in context of the current situation in Ukraine. And it definitely makes no sense as an attempt at a response to Ravenman’s original question.
Even if this were somehow a verifiable condition that “PUtin considers former Soviet Republics to be in the Russian sphere of influence even if they are NATO members” he still needs a pretext to invade and then invade staring NATO in the eye at which time I still don’t see that a half dozen ‘if’ scenarios based upon what might be or might not be on Putin’s mind… can be a bigger threat to our immediate national security than al Qaeda and the global terrorist threat to our national security.
Romney is a national security buffoon and it is Sarah Palin and a few others like that who keep him from holding the number spot in that category.
