Russia has invaded Ukraine. How will the West respond?

Excuse me, I didn’t insult you so I don’t see why you’re insulting me?

Anyway, I was polite and respectful and think it’s reasonable to request an explanation.

So, please explain why you reacted the way you did to the news of the Mayor being treated in Israel.

This appearsd to be a particularly stupid comment posted merely to shit in the thread.

Don’t do this sort of thing, again.

That said:

Ibn Warraq, CarnalK, XT, and everyone else, do not feed into this sort of nonsense.

Everyone drop it.

[ /Moderating ]

It is absolutely not “shitting”, and you really should have a little more sense.

I will continue to make whatever comments I like, and you may continue to take whatever actions you like. But it is not “shitting”

And I thought I was telling people to not “feed” it. Oh well.

That’ll earn a warning. A moderator tells you to drop it, then you drop it.

Control yourself.

Yep, backing off. This thread is contentious enough without me throwing hydrogen into the furnace.

Understood.

Ibn Warraq - You must be so pleased with yourslef you reported my post.

Fuck you, and fuck this bullshit moderation.

I believe that will leave the rest of you to agree with each other for eternity.

Well, that’s worth a couple of warnings but I’m only giving one.

If you truly feel you must take issue with moderation, please do so in About This Message Board. I - and most mods - are glad to discuss such things there.

Of course, ‘fuck you’ and such is specifically prohibited. Again, control yourself.

Here is Putin on how Russian military would operate in Ukraine if it entered there:

“И пусть кто-то из украинских военных попробует стрелять в своих людей, российские военные будут стоять позади людей, не спереди, а сзади. Пускай попробуют стрелять в женщин и детей.”

Translation:

“And let’s see if the Ukrainian soldiers will shoot their own people, Russian soldiers will stand behind the civilians, not in front of them but behind. Let the Ukrainians try shooting women and children.”

Oh, and in case one wonders about Russian “fascists” (you know, ones “Red Fury” aligns herself with):


http://21region.org/uploads/posts/2012-11/1352033543_zd18tocwtoa.jpg
http://vkop.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/russkij_marsh.jpg
http://img.gazeta.ru/files3/401/5734401/russkiymarsh-pic510-510x340-99801.jpg - “Return Russia to Russians”
http://kp.ru/f/4/image/46/98/599846.jpg
http://img12.nnm.me/9/b/1/7/c/63e9f3a2e1f7acf83a90c86509e.jpg

Be that as it may, Terr. Please don’t take shots at banned posters. It’s unseemly and makes your soul all sticky.

No warning.

Didn’t realize **RedFury **was banned.

It appears that the pro-Maidan interim government has no governing authority in anti-Maidan Ukraine.

Read more and see pictures at: http://m.huffpost.com/us/slideshow/346591?entry_id=5244763

On 04-26-2014 at 07:01 AM I wrote:

Since the pro-Maidan interim government appears to have lost authoritative control of anti-Maidan regions of Ukraine, do any posters here agree that anti-Maidan regions should vote upon their own localized referendum as the anti-Maidan protest movement is demanding? Or should the pro-Maidan interim government start a civil war by the use of massive force ( aerial bombardment plus similar heavy artillery as was used by Sakaashvilli in South Ossetia) and send in pro-Maidan troops to engage the anti-Maidan protesters in order to crush them and restore pro-Maidan order in anti-Maidan regions?

Should a localized referendum be organized and voted upon?

Is calling Russians ‘fascists’ going to help resolve this in any way?

I think Russia should stop fanning the flames of separatism, and the thugs in eastern Ukraine should accept the fact that they don’t live in Russia. That’s what I think.
I don’t accept you false dichotomy.

How about this: Ukraine invites as many neutral observers as they can get to monitor or even run the upcoming elections and keep them clean, and all sides abide by the outcome and recognizes whatever government gets elected. Issues of devolution can then be handled by the new government.

For the life of me, I can’t see why some people are so eager to see Ukraine go the separatist route. One may foolishly hope for a Czechoslovakia scenario, but it’s much more common to see a Yugoslavia scenario.

Kiev has lost the ability to govern in anti-Maidan regions. So your idea does not take that into account. Anti-Maidan protests want a localized referendum. The alternative is for the pro-Maidan interim government to start a shooting war. Is that your preference as an outsider?

It’s a pretty simple calculus for those people: what does the U.S. not want?

I also reject this dichotomy. For one thing, there are 225 voting districts in Ukraine, central authority isn’t necessary for an election to be held.

And if those anti-Maidan Ukrainians that you call ‘thugs’ have no desire to follow your advice do you support pro-Maidan interim government troops to start gunning them down with heavy artillery and airstrikes until they do take your advice?