If he returns, he’ll have to face murder charges. That’s not conducive to good government, now is it? Surely there’s someone besides Yanukovich whom the pro-Russian/anti-Maidan/pro-devolution Eastern Ukrainians can elect to represent them.
No, I’ve called for it all along, including in this thread. Not following the proper impeachment procedure was a mistake, and morally wrong.
It’s not license to tear up the constitution and the nation, though. Are you beginning to see where that leads? Someone needs to be the bigger man here, why not the anti-Maidan folks?
Why not the side that Senator John McCain helped to stir up in the Maidan protests that led to violating the Constitutional process in the first place. Outside meddling had a major hand in all this. And you want the folks who had their elected leader violently removed to be the ones to step up?
The other side had their protesters gunned down, neither side has better moral bona fides than the other.
What can the interim government do to step up, exactly? Recognize unconstitutional referendums? Pardon Yanukovich? Cede the east to Russia? Cancel the presidential election? What?
And again, there’s an arrest warrent for murder out for Yanukovich. If he returns, it won’t be to assume the Presidency, but rather to stand trial.
The law was broken by pro-Maidan first. And now pro-Maidan has lost much of its law enforcement capability in the anti-Maidan regions. Many of the police in the anti-Maidan regions have joined the anti-Maidan side. That is a game-changer wherin the pro-Maidan interim government must in essence invade with heavy armored military assault weapons its own territory to regain central governing authority. Then they would have to install a completely new police force in order to maintain it.
Lots of people will likely die. For what? So an interim government can prove they are tough. To keep taxes coming in to the central government. To please the IMF?
There were over a dozen police killed in one day during the protests. The police may have over-reacted at that point but there is no closing Pandora’s box after it was opened. Its a little late to demand that the anti-Maidan side behave themselves as the US and EU want them to do.
What does that mean? The police killed protesters only in response to their own officers being shot?
And again, you have this attitude that once something bad happens, all bets are off and there’s no going back, that it’s just game on to do what you want. That’s an insanely destructive, pre-modern view of the world.
It’s unreasonable to ask them to vote for a president on the 25th, and abide by the outcome of the election? I guess I think better of the Ukrainians than you do.
Up to 30 people, including women and children, burned to death in an attack in Odessa. The figures are early and probably doubtful. Word has it that it were pro-Ukrainian folks who did the deed.
What were women and children doing inside an “occupied” building in the middle of a riot?
Ah I see. Putin: “Russian soldiers will stand behind the civilians, not in front of them but behind. Let the Ukrainians try shooting women and children.”
Ok. Run by whom? Counted by whom? Monitored by whom? The militias? The Russians?
This is odd…the military in Egypt “maintained its ability to govern” by brutally suppressing the Muslim Brotherhood, killing over 600 people, wounding another 4,000, and banning the MB and its associated political party.
So why do you oppose Ukraine using similar tactics? You sure didn’t seem to mind it when the Egyptian military used them.
And you think what’s going on in eastern Ukraine has nothing to do with that? If so, there’s a bridge north of where I live you might be interested in.
I support the idea that Russia should stop fanning the flames of separatism so that wouldn’t be necessary. You, OTOH, do not.
They were demonstrators who being beset by their opponents had fled the square to this building. Barricading themselves when the people pursuing them threw in Molotov cocktails. As far as I can recon.
Not everything fits in your preconceived ideological template and silly one-liners don’t really make up for women and children burned to death.
That is nonsense. I am not saying that at all. Whatever happened around February 18 it is a fact that a lot of police were themselves killed. There is little worse breakdown in law and order than when police defending the government are themselves victims of violence.
Its unreasonable to expect the anti-Maidan side to participate and respect an election when the previous election was overturned by Maidan violent protest and the anti-Maidan region’s political interests were forsaken anf denied. Now the pro-Maidans want their political foes to ignore all that and behave, as the pro-Maidans say not as the pro-Maidans do.
You’re “reconing” wrong. It started with a pro-Ukrainian demonstration. Which was then attacked by the separatists, killing several pro-Ukrainian demonstrators. After which the pro-Ukrainian demonstrators started fighting the separatists. Now, are you claiming that the “women and children” were among that group that attacked the original demonstrators?
And no, it is not a silly one-liner. It is evidence of the disgusting tactics of the Russian side. Putin openly admits to the plan to place soldiers behind civilians. That’s a war crime.
And you know that how? You were there? At this point, with the amount of disinformation any person who will jump to a conclusion so early without having first hand evidence is drinking cool aid propaganda. In any case you’re most likely wrong. Most of them were middle aged or older. Many women. Not the signature of a attack mob. In addition they were heavily outnumbered. They were beating when trying to leave the building and shots were fired into the building.
And the governor of Odessa is now on record stating that everything went according to the law. When you have a governor – installed by an unelected government – claiming a mob attack and murder of civilians (whom he calls terrorists) is according to the law, then you have an illegitimate governor and illegitimate government. Not even Yanukovych claimed the murder of demonstrators were lawful.
What evidence? Do you have evidence that Russian soldiers are in Odessa? Putin saying that Ukrainian soldiers are unlikely to shoot at Ukrainian civilians is evidence of exactly nothing.
Im against that because the pro-Maidan interim government will have to kill and maim a lot of anti-Maidan people in order to do it. I don’t see the legitimacy in the interim government launching a major military assault on the anti-Maidan regions of Ukraine.