Do your powers work in North America as well? If so, we could avoid the cost and stress of voting here, and just consult you instead.
You have some fantastic powers.
Listen, would you mind telling me if my girlfriend is angry with me? She said that “it’s nothing”, but I can sense that she’s annoyed about something. Surely your superior knowledge of people’s desires can help me
Really? You can’t see that the majority of the people in Crimea wanted to join Russia and/or separate from Ukraine? And PEW says “91% of Crimeans believe the recent referendum was free and fair”.
What do you guys think about “PEW” Polls??
Pew Poll: Crimeans happy with “annexation” by Russia, believe referendum was free and fair May 12, 2014 :
I really liked this part: “and the results may come as a surprise to those who depend on Western corporate media for information about current affairs.”
Is PEW’s post-annexation poll similarly flawed?
Pop goes the weasel. Now the pro-Maidan interim government is withdrawing troops from the two restive eastern regions. I have not seen evidence that separatist militias are out of the picture.
Looks like the anti-Maidan militias are not going to be crushed prior to the national election.
Where were these lawmakers a few weeks ago? Finally coming to their senses.
Kiev Pulling troops back from East Ukraine with Rada vote
Published on May 20th, 2014. Written by: Veterans Today
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/kiev-pulling-troops-back-from-east-ukraine-with-rada-vote/
More good news in the same link:
It looks like Donetsk and Lugansk may get more autonomy thanks to the rebel militias stand rather than by reasonable debate.
You would be wise to learn that what you think or wish is real is not necessarily what actually is real. But, fortunately for you, we do have a forum for expressing such sentiment. It’s not this forum, though.
I wouldn’t be reflexively dismissive here John Mace. NFBW kinda has some backing there.(that’s the PEW report cited in the article he linked)
On 05-12-2014 at 07:07 AM I wrote:
The first response to that question came from XT on 05-12-2014 at 09:53 AM:
Do you consider your above response to my question to be in good faith? I don’t see you addressing my question that you cited?
Uh, are you really happy to rely on the Pew survey? Because, as you know, the same source found an overwhelming majority of Eastern Ukranians did not want seperation from Ukraine - which kinda undermines, like, all of your other arguments in this thread!
I’m dismissive of anyone who says they don’t need evidence. Doesn’t matter if they are correct or not. A stopped clock is “correct” twice every day.
People are poking fun at how he claims to arrive at his conclusions, not at the conclusions themselves.
It is made extra-hilarious by his reliance on the Pew survey. As everyone already knows, that survey found (a) that the majority of Crimeans favoured seperation; and (b) that the majority of non-Crimeans, including Russian-speaking Eastern Ukrainians, did not favour seperation. He seemingly hasn’t figured out that by relying on the first bit to support his position, he is fatally wounding his position in respect of the second bit.
Stop leaving wet towels lying on the bathroom floor after you finished showering.
Oh, I get that - but on this point he seems correct. I’m more curious if Rune is going to re-think Madeline Albright’s ability to run an impartial polling company. He earlier said we couldn’t trust Pew because of her position there.
And the majority wishing to stay united isn’t so overwhelming as to dismiss the minority views. Nor are the trust of Kiev government polling numbers particularly warming.
According to the survey, a whopping 18% of Eastern Ukrainians want to allow regions to secede (an even-less whopping 14% for Ukraine as a whole - which, apparently, includes Crimea).
I’m okay with “dismissing” that particular “minority view”, based on those numbers (assuming they are sound). Since when did less than 1 in 5 get to decide the fate of the country? To repeat, that is less than one in five in the affected area. Why, even 2/3 of self-identified Russian speakers don’t want to allow regions to secede. The idea hasn’t even got a majority of the alleged affected minority on board with it.
As for trust in the current government - it is a caretaker, interim government pending elections. It does not pretend to be anything else. The question will be whether this government makes a serious attempt at free and fair elections, or attempts the Russian trick.
You really think 18% (27% of Russian speakers) is so insignificant as to dismiss it? I am not saying the minority gets to decide, but it’s fairly ignorant to laugh it off.
The “trust in the government” issue will come in to sharper focus as we see how the election is handled, I think we agree.
About 12% of US populationwant US to pay reparations to Black Americans. I think laughing it off is the right reaction.
What arguments of mine does this PEW poll undermine? Please post an argument that PEW undermines.
18% of the population is not just a minority, it is a small minority.
To put this into perspective, in the US, a full 17% of citizens in current US states would vote to secede from their current states, and 11% would vote to secede from the US!
Oddly, no-one takes these positions at all seriously.
a) That article doesn’t say that. 89% of 12%=10%
b) That’s less than 18%
c) That poll was conducted by the “Reparations Research and Advocacy Group” ie, less trustworthy than Pew
d) Just because you can laugh it off doesn’t mean it’s not ignorant to laugh it off
85% of 14%. But who’s counting.
Well no one takes it seriously, that’s for sure.