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Everything.

Magic is just perception. You don’t get or understand it, so it’s magic.

If I drop a 5 lb magnet it is supposed to drop at a given rate (32fpsps)…unless I stick a sheet of copper under it. The copper dampens the fall…‘magic’ if you don’t know the copper is there.

The Earth has power points, and like an electric engine, you can plug into it…if you are in the right state of mind, and get ‘stuff’.

Pfft.

WARNING Derail.

It is to scornfully laugh. Unless by “redirecting chakra energy” you mean shooting hadokens or kamehamehas or something.

No, that’s science. Magnets are way more magical. (And way less sometimesy.)

People also once believed that women’s uteruses would wander around from place to place in their body.

You think that’s wild, wait until you hear about inductive charging.

Any sufficiently advanced science looks like magic…to the layman. (The uneducated layman?)

Naw, I don’t feel like watching some random YouTube video. Why don’t you tell me what you want to say.

Holy crap, you must be surrounded by magic. The inside of every device - magic! (Even if you understand the theories, you can’t understand exactly what’s going on inside unless you know which components are in there, presumably by cracking it open.) So, like, magic everywhere!

Bait…

…Switch.

The magnet copper thing is real. (At least I suppose it is; I haven’t verified it. Maybe you made it up. Okay, I’ll assume it’s real.)

On the other hand I won’t assume that your ley line power plug theory is accurate. If you want to claim that that kind of magic is science too, then you’d better be prepared to provide objective, observable, not-scornful-laughworthy evidence.

I recommend telekinesis. Stand at a power point and use your mind to levitate a car. Preferably on national television.

So, you don’t believe in the Placebo Effect? You know that’s been repeatedly tested, right?

So, we should toss out knowledge because it’s old?

Yes, and believe it or not, ancients knew MORE than you do…“SHOCKING!” huh?

Because I can’t tell you…you have to see the Earth’s ancient connections for yourself.

It’s actually an ad hominem attack on things the person doesn’t think are real.

Getting from there to “don’t grasp”, presumes that the thing in question is real, which I’m sure you’d like us to assume, but that isn’t too likely to happen without actual evidence.

Lol, you’re not funny, but your reasoning is.

I fully understand most functions in our society, so “No, I don’t see magic everywhere.”

You make NO SENSE. I give you a hypothetical situation, which you accept, sans evidence, and tell you of another, give you evidence to investigate, and you dismiss it out of hand.

Good luck learning ANYTHING new ever.

Riiiight.

Bigfoot = “Woo” right?

Well, Neanderthals were hunted to extinction, except their environment and food sources remained…

So maybe, just maybe, Neanderthals ARE Bigfoot.

Is looking fo them folly, or Science?

Labeling something “woo” just gives you an excuse to dismiss it.

I don’t believe the placebo effect is magic, or that it can do magic. A fervent belief that one can fly is not sufficient to defy gravity.

We should toss out bullshit, whether it’s old or not.

Do you think it’s possible that people in the past were ever wrong about things? Is that a thing that could possibly have happened? And if they were wrong about some things, why not your things?

Well, some ancients knew more than me - I’m quite certain that Stephen Hawking was way more knowledgeable than me about some things. This doesn’t mean that people who believed in stupid bullshit were all correct too.

Seeing something in a YouTube video is NOT seeing it for myself. You ain’t never heard of video editing? (Or lying?)

Cool! Show us something.

What IS the Placebo Effect, and how does it function?

Rejecting things that are wrong is acceptable. Saying all things in the past are wrong is dumb.

The Port Arthur Ley Lines video isn’t contrived. It is Google Earth evidence that he Earth has an interconnected power grid.

I have it on good authority that I am, in fact, funny. (Looking, anyway.)

In all seriousness, you are conflating two separate categories of “things not known”.

  1. Things that are real that you don’t know about.
  2. Things that aren’t real that you don’t know about (possibly because there’s nothing to know).

The fact that there are things in category 1 isn’t evidence that the things in category 2 are real.

It’s about credibility. Your claim about magnets and copper sounded halfway plausible, so I decided to float it a measure of credibility. If it was proven wrong I’d accept that too. (And in either case I’ve already forgotten what you said about it anyway. Learn new things? Pfft.)

Nonsense about ley lines, on the other hand, is pretty out there. I mean, if it was real, we’d know - it would have been mass-produced and monetized by now, and not by crackpots with crystal balls. If the earth was a giant battery that could be used for inductive charging of anything besides delusions, you’d see giant cables plugged into it.

Looking for them was science…for a while. Nowadays it’s like searching for a full-sized elephant in your kitchen, when the supposed elephant has evaded years of searches already.

So yeah, it’s folly now.

Yep. Deciding that something is nonsense is, indeed, a justification for forgetting about it and moving on to important things, like what’s on TV tonight.

If somebody who believes in the woo things that the “woo” label isn’t merited, it’s upon them to provide evidence that the nonsense is, in fact, not nonsense. Suffice to say that would require more than heated-yet-unsupported assertion.

The Placebo Effect.

Funny looking, is my joke. Well played.

There ARE things I know about, like copper dampening magnets’ progress, that you don’t know about.

Interestingly enough, power companies DO know about ley lines. You’ll notice large power lines follow their course.

*We can’t say we looked everywhere for an extinct creature. We CAN say its food source and habitat are gone, so they likely are too. This was never true for Neanderthals. Saying they are truly extinct along side bigfoot sightings is truly ignorant, and the opposite of Science.

That’s kind of a big technical question, and I’m not actually a doctor.

The bulk of it seems to be that the human brain is a physical organ that is attached to the rest of the other organs by, like, sinews and stuff, and the physical system of the human body be complicated, yo? Like, lots of atoms all hooked together. Dozens and dozens, even.

This being how things are, of course, there are limits to what the placebo effect can do - even within the body. Like, even via believing vary hard, you can’t shoot death lasers from your eyeballs. (Darn shame, that.)

Good thing I never said that, then.

I mean, the wheel. Right clever invention that. And toilet paper. And microchips.

Wandering uteruses and ley lines, not so much.

And yet you seem oddly reluctant to explain it, as though you believe that saying it out loud will make it sound stupid.

You can’t think it’s too complicated a subject to be asked about; you asked me to tell you how the placebo effect works.

So the Earth is this big thing, all attached with veins of metals, water, oils, gases, and all sorts of stuff ‘connected’ to each other. I’m not a geologist.

I just know there are limits to what it can do. It won’t give you the ability to shoot lasers out your arse, but it does other healing stuff.

Uteruses have WHAT to do with ley lines?

I think I did as good a job as you did, with less effort.

I’m quite confident that you know more than I about what sort of underwear you wear, too. So what?

(I’d like to keep not knowing that, by the way. Thanks.)

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure they do.

(That’s me not being convinced of the accuracy of your statements.)

Er, wow. Yeah. You realize that by that argument, nobody can claim that there’s not a Tyrannosaurus Rex stalking the outfield of Wrigley Field.

Putting aside the brilliance of the above, the notion that bigfoot has been evading clear detection to this day is ignoring a detail or two - not to mention it’s an example of one cryptozoologist saying that literally all (other?) cryptozoologists are totally incompetent idiots for having tried so long to catch the thing and failing utterly.

You want to stay in the dark, when I have extra matches and candles, that’s on you.

You know the T-rex ate other dinosaurs, right? Did you see any at Wrigley?

I think I’m gonna indeed put your brilliance aside…you don’t know you don’t know.

And the critical difference is that the placebo effect happens, and ley line nonsense doesn’t.

Wandering uteruses and ley lines are both stupid bullshit that people believed in ancient times, and were wrong about. Seriously, I thought my meaning was pretty obvious.

And I note you still refuse to explain what ley lines do, doubtlessly because you can’t think of a way to explain to them without it sounding stupid and obviously false.

We did equally well - I didn’t get you to admit you’re wrong, and you didn’t get me to admit you’re right.

This dynamic will continue into the future, too.

If this is some sort of metaphor for becoming a wand-waver woo person, then yeah, I’m good. I’m only interested in things that are true. (Or fun. One or the other. Or both, I suppose.)

The other dinosaurs are there too, obviously. The entire dinosaur ecosystem is there, all the way down to the ones that eat grass. Grass has been around this whole time, and thus, by your brilliant logic, so have all the dinosaurs ever, probably. It’s impossible to prove they aren’t, like, everywhere!

You know, as gotchas go, “I know you are but what am I” isn’t really that impressive.

(Alternatively, neither are complete failures of reading comprehension, which is the only other explanation for your comment.)

Of course not. Everybody knows that dinosaurs all hang out at Coors Field. :smiley: