Samuel Morton vindicated after Stephen J Gould accusations

This poor guy, thought for the last 30 years to be an example of a biased scientist producing biased results. However, now a team of scientists have found his work was done with integrity:

My good news for the day - thanks!

“Thus proving, once and for all, that caucasians are the superior race and everyone else is stupid.” <closes book and cleans spectacles>

I’m not sure a single paper counts as “vindication.”

This didn’t validate any of Morton’s claims. It questions Gould’s conclusions about Morton deliberately skewing data.

:smiley: I lolz

It does more than question Gould’s conclusions. It shows Gould was either lying or incompetent.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say he has been acquited of the false charges brought by Gould. The other issue is that Gould, in suggesting there was widespread bias, actually fudged his own data in accordance with his own biases. John Hawks probably has the best take on it:

In Gould’s book The Mismeasure of Man he looks at lot of of instances of nineteenth century scientists who endeavored to prove something about human intelligence from skull measurements. They were trying to prove a lot of things: some that whites were superior to other races, others that the rich were superior to the poor, and so forth. Likewise they took many different approaches to do so. Some looked at the size of skulls, others at the size of openings in the skull or the position of various protrusions. The point of Gould’s book is that all of this was nonsense driven by the biases of the scientists involved. It may be true in this particular case that for the skulls in Morton’s collection, the white skulls had the largest capacity and the black skulls had the smallest. However, that still would not justify the inherent assumption that a larger skull means greater intelligence. That has proven to be false. So the fundamental fact that Morton’s conclusions were driven by his racism would seem to remain standing, as would similar conclusions about other scientists from the period.

There is actually a positive correlation between the two, small though it may be. Direct measurement on MRI using modern techniques shows about a .40 correlation.

http://www.yale.edu/scan/GT_2004_NRN.pdf

Chen019, my real question is, why are so excited by this?

Anyway, one paper does not “vindicate” or “acquits” anything. I’ll be content to wait and see what sort of consensus appears in the mainstream scientific community.

Regardless, Stephen J. Gould’s legacy is exceedingly well established, and even if he was wrong about this case, that hardly invalidates any of his other, enormously important peer-reviewed contributions to science.

It acquits Morton of fudging the data in accordance with his biases while revealing that is actually what Gould did. I should have used the word acquit rather than vindicate.

Gould’s legacy? Paul Krugman, admittedly no scientist, but interesting comments nonetheless:

See also Robert Wright’s New Yorker article and comments from John Maynard Smith.

The reason why the poster is so exited is that Gould also took a critical look at “The Bell Curve” book so Gould is a cause celebre for people that want to pump up “scientific” justifications to divide people by race.

Unfortunately, even the authors of the referred paper (and this is a **Chen019 **specialty, ignoring the passages that show that researchers in reality are not supporting what he and others are trying to push) while critical of Gould, they are not supportive of using the paper to support prejudiced ideas.

This science blogger then points that:
http://scienceblogs.com/oscillator/2011/06/missing_the_point.php

Actually, I have never suggested dividing people by race. It is governments and policy makers who do that.

I’m surprised actually that you haven’t entered into the debate that Tri Polar started on the Great Debates part of the forum about a biological definition of race.

Ah yes, the professor of physics that likes to pose as a geneticist or an anthropologist, as I said before, there are no easy pickings for your position.

I rather wait until I see if most geneticists and anthropologists get to be convinced of your ideas. As it is, I see no danger on a change from them regarding the race issue, and this even after looking at the paper that you are so (mistakenly) enthusiastic about it.

So either you hate Stephen J. Gould for some irrational reason, or you have a boner for Samuel Morton. You’ve explained neither.

Again I ask, why are you so excited by this? Scientists refute each other all the time. There is no scientist so awesomely great that nearly great scientists haven’t written things that refute some of their ideas, correctly or incorrectly. So what’s the big deal?

You’re not making much sense here. It’s pretty clear that governments and policy makers are the ones that insist on labelling people in different races.

How many is most? I forgot you’re not much of a fan of thinking for yourself.

Maybe read John Hawk’s article I linked above. It’s a pretty big deal when a major scientific figure, who writes bestseller’s on these topics, is revealed to have been fudging data to fit his ideology.

Here is a hint: that is just an effort from your side to tell others not to look at what are you trying to lead others into.

Science has the property of telling you that your beliefs are useless when confronted by evidence.

In this case I think Gould was wrong, but that does not negate that modern human variation is generally continuous, rather than discrete or “racial”.

I am not sure what you mean here.

Glad we agree on this :slight_smile: