This is the best post in this thread.
Eonwe, I have definitely noticed that Bernheads like (nay, love) to dish it out but can’t take it without getting all butthurt. I guess they think all of their jibes against Hillary are just “speaking truth to power” or something, whereas anything I might say about Bernie is just being a big meaniehead.
OIC. Well, if we are polar opposites politically, you must be a very religious conservative. I hadn’t caught that, but I do sometimes have trouble keeping people straight. Sorry about that.
I cited two, actually: also the one in Minneapolis where he made the “50 times” crack. Maybe I should ask if anyone has an example of a predominantly black event that Bernie has gone to that went well? Let’s face it, he hasn’t gotten a lot of practice up in Vermont.
But come on, you guys: doesn’t anyone watch Veep? If you do, how can you not giggle imagining the cursewords thrown around as soon as they got out of that event? 
No, you’re not getting it. You seem be oblivious to the fact that your own support for Hillary is so strong that it’s causing you to attack anything and everything that isn’t pro-Hillary. And a large part of what you’re doing is insulting and demonizing the people who support Bernie Sanders. You’re making it personal about them, and not just about the candidate.
In short, your actions and posts here are so strident, so distasteful and so pervasive that they are turning off at least one (me) probable Clinton supporter.
You certainly have trouble keeping something straight–for example, the difference between “you don’t post many things we agree on” and “we’re polar opposites.” I advise you to learn the difference, and then maybe your snark will be adroiter.
Dem primary turnout is low, but young Bernie supporters can’t even outwork the elderly to beat Hillary. Or in meme parlance, they’re very low energy.
Oh snap, marshmallow!
But watch out: Bo will really threaten to boycott Hillary if we keep saying mean stuff about Bernie. Because that’s what mature people do when matters of great importance are on the line: vote out of spite. This despite the fact that I don’t have any connection to the Clinton campaign, even. I haven’t so much as given her any money like I did for Obama. I figure her Wall Street friends can take care of all that. 
P.S. I do like “adroiter”, LHOD. I may have to steal that. (No snark–I mean it.)
Of course that’s not what mature people do! Mature people, when matters of great importance are on the line, resort to namecalling and patronization and alienation of potential allies. Please continue the lesson in mature people behavior.
Most cringe-worthy moment of the entire election so far.
C’mon, Trump mocking reporter Serge Kovaleski for being disabled was worse.
As a Hillary supporter I gotta tip my hat to Bernie, he is running a great campaign. Some of the tactics of late are bit suspect, like Rove Pac ads against her in Nevada, but regardless the message is it’s not only okay to be a Liberal, but let’s celebrate that fact. It wasn’t too long ago oh as far back as the “W” administration, that Liberal was a pejorative word. So moving Hillary et al to the left is a great outcome, regardless of who the nominee is. I thought that Bernie would have made better inroads with the BLM movement, but his surrogates like Cornel West just alienated the Obama loving masses instead of embracing them. That to me just goes to Bernie’s judgement about the community he wants to serve. He cozied up to the squeeky wheels instead of listening to those who have benefitted from the Obama agenda, namely the ACA, but more importantly the emotional impact of a black man as president on the disenfranchised African American. There is simply no way criticisms of Obama, no matter how measured will sit well with a community that identifies heart mind and soul with him. Hillary has been very smart to continue to identify with Obama and want to build on his initiatives. As for the BLM movement, Sandra Bland’s mother is supporting Mrs. Clinton. It tells me the ones most victimized by horrible brutality from law enforcement somehow are more attracted to what they are trying to do to stop it than rhetoric.
You can never be completely sure, and with threats like Bernie you must be eternally vigilant. Let me tell you a tale of what happens if you let your guard down, because believe me, it’s happened.
It starts when you wake up one morning and you realize with horror that you’ve never had to pay for health care, because the government has been paying it. You get tax credits even though you’re not rich. You try to tell your snooty demanding kids that you can’t afford to send them to college and they trot out “figures” to show that you can. And then eventually you get old and you get a letter from the government threatening to pay you a pension. And if you want to spend a little money – say a couple of billion dollars – to purchase control of government and roll back this spectre of communism, the government will tell you that you’re not allowed to spend that much and, anyway, the government isn’t for sale.
This is Bernie’s world, and in the words of St. Reagan (blessed be his name) it would be dark days indeed if that ever happened in America.
I’m not sure I agree with all of this–Eric Garner’s daughter supports Sanders, so I don’t think we can draw monolithic conclusions about whom victims of police brutality support–but this is, at least, a measured and reasonable critique of Sanders that relies neither on personal attacks nor on taking things out of context. I appreciate the post!
It’s a hall of mirrors. Judging from your words, he’s seeing through clearer than you IMO
To be fair, that’s not Slacker’s critique of Sanders (inasmuch as at some point in the past he did offer a reasoned critique of Sanders). His suggestion is that this isn’t Sanders’s world at all; rather, Sanders’s world is one in which Trump is president, because Sanders can’t win. And if Sanders does win, it’s a world in which Republicans hold a supermajority of both houses of Congress in 2018, as the backlash against Sanders’s politics builds to a crescendo.
This is a reasonable fear, and it’s the main reason why my support of Sanders is so qualified: I support Sanders’s campaign at this point because I believe the campaign itself is a positive thing, regardless of the near-impossibility of a Sanders presidency.
Slacker, the only thing that’s preventing you from getting a warning with this post is that you saw my admonition in the other thread 11 minutes after this was posted.
Now everyone. Keep the personalities out of it. I don’t CARE how passionate you are about your candidate. You will keep this civil or you will regret your choices.
I was just having some fun. Bernie over Hillary all day. Lesser of two evils logic is defensible this cycle, but accelerationism always has a radical appeal. That does suggest a certain level of privilege, though.
I expect the real cringe comedy will be in the Trump-Hillary debates. Hillary doesn’t have good responses to Bernie’s tepid attacks. Trump might set her on fire. Either way, they’ll be must see TV.
I agree that it’s a reasonable fear – I just found it satisfying to use a bit of humor to illustrate the actual Sanders vision that would cause such significant numbers among the electorate to vote against him out of stark raving fear, as indeed they would.
The serious question is what can be done to break the vicious circle where a candidate like Sanders is unelectable simply because everyone thinks he is, even though many, personally, would prefer to vote for him. Here, too, I agree that the Sanders campaign is a very positive thing. I think Sanders is helping to break that circle open by laying the initial groundwork for democratic socialism as viable policy with populist support, but it’s not going to happen in this election cycle.
Agreed. I’m not married to the notion that victims find comfort in a Hillary/Obama agenda. I was just thinking about how the #BLM really came in to forefront with the death of Sandra Bland, and yet the outrage didn’t necessarily push the African American community into an alliance with Bernie.
I am very very fearful of a Trump presidency. It’s not fun and games anymore. Many independents who would have supported Bernie say they are looking to Trump. That’s Hitler crazy. I just find that moving from a left agenda to a racist xenophobic one will not solve the problems of government. It will push America into a weird sort of 21st century Fascism created by a vaccum caused by the GOP in disarray, social media, and the next news cycle. Fat Dumb and Stupid is no way to live your life, America.
I think part of what’s going on is that Trump’s economic outlook is fairly strong on the social safety net, if I understand correctly For years, the Republican coalition has hinged around hostility to the safety net, hostility to sexual freedom, and hostility toward foreigners. Trump removes one or even two of those pieces, and suddenly people who were excluded from the Republican coalition start to join.