Braaaaaaaaaaaaains…
on the gilligan hat question… i thought he wore the traditional sailor/navy hat, just with the brim down intstead of up.
This thread takes me back… I remember obsessing over the cut scenes when I was a kid in the '90s. Got the Behind the Magic CD and everything (even though it came in a bundle and I had to buy the Monkey Island games over again 
). Back to the Biggs thing (sorry!), I think one or both of you might be confused on this point.
As I remember it, the scene where Luke has a fairly long conversation with Biggs before the final battle in the base was definitely not in the original cut. However, the “Biggs scene” was part of a larger scene, the second half of which was in the original cut IIRC, where one of the commanders comes up to Luke after his (cut) conversation with Biggs and talks about knowing Luke’s father. The SE restored the bulk of the Biggs part and cut the bit about Luke’s dad (by superimposing a soldier walking across the frame to disguise the wipe, I distinctly remember that part). I think the commander’s lines didn’t quite line up with Lucas’ retconning of the back story he was writing for the prequels at the time.
Correct me if I’m wrong, I may be suffering from Thunderbird photo syndrome on this one too, but I’d swear that’s how it went down.
EDIT: Whoops didn’t realise how zombie a zombie thread this was :X
Bollocks. I’ve never heard of this scene, and I’m 39. You’re conflating memories.
I saw the Biggs scene and some other deleted scenes recently. I don’t know whether it was a DVD extra or on YouTube, but they were nothing special. I can definitely say they were not in the print I saw a few weeks after it was first released in the 70s.
In any discussion about Star Wars, I always refer to the Gibbonesque “The Secret History of Star Wars”. I’ll pull up the PDF and see if any of this is in here.
Huh? i don’t think i’ve ever seen the movie WITHOUT that scene.
Well, if you can produce the kamikaze scene, we have people in this very thread willing to pay to see the evidence.
-Joe
Similarly, Am I the only one who seems to remember the scene from Raiders where the U-boat starts to dive and Indy saves himself by lashing himself to the periscope with his whip? Just before they go completely under they arrive at the sub base.
Was such a scene even filmed or did I construct it myself out of still photos, script descriptions and pure delusion?
Yeah, I saw the Biggs scenes on the Star Wars: Behind the Magic CD-ROM released in 1998. As I recall it was one scene on Tatooine early in the film, and another before the final space battle. In the actual cut of the movie, Biggs is only mentioned by Luke during the final battle. We (the audience) aren’t given any reason why Luke is more upset by Biggs’ death than any of the others, since the scenes that established they were friends from back home were cut.
and I absolutely remember when Biggs said “In the butt, Bob.”
I haven’t rented the movie since the 80s but i assure you if you go to the local video rental store near my grandparents home in Lima, Peru and rent “El Imperio Contrataca” you will see the kamikaze scene in all its glory. I always remember that scene specifically because i thought it was kinda lame how they reused almost the same thing in Return of the Jedi to take out the super star destroyer.
That’s come up before, but I believe it was actually in the comic book.
Well, it’s unlikely I’ll be in Lima any time in the next few weeks…
-Joe
I saw the film as a sneak preview a week before it’s general release, and then many, many times since, and I’ve never seen this scene.
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I’d just like to point out that this thread is revived from 2004. That’s OK in Cafe Society (although not in other forums), although I think this is pretty much stretching the limit. Better would have been to start a new thread and link to the old one. I’ll leave it alone, because I think it won’t last long anyhow (very old news.)
In any case, please remember: if you’re responding to an earlier post, check the date. If it was posted five years ago, don’t expect that the person who posted that to discuss with you.
Is that the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchorhead Story of Star Wars? It was mentioned in the Star Wars: Behind the Magic disc.
One more piece of evidence for the kamikaze scene in ESB.
Hardly evidence–just “proof” that a number of other people out there also believe to have seen something that (unless something more concrete surfaces) never really existed…
At what point do X number of people who claim to have seen almost the exact same thing constitute a probable likelihood that something they have purported to see, they actually saw?
I mean, we’re not talking Bigfoot, 'Nessie, or UFOs here. We’re talking about a movie, from a series, the creator of which is notorious for “changing scenes” in.
We are also talking about a film series with perhaps the most fervent following in the world, and an alleged missing scene that has no corroborating physical evidence despite being almost 30 years old. What are the chances that, if such a print or video copy had actually existed (and based on the variety of claims, multiple copies would have been necessary to account for all these anecdotes), that we would still not have some physical proof by now? Especially in this age of YouTube and the lucrative scavenging of all varieties of media as collector’s items, we don’t even have a still of this shot (just a storyboard illustration at best).
And while Lucasfilm has a history of altering the films over time, I’d like a specific citation where they’ve intentionally covered up or fabricated the non-existence of something that turned out to be true. They may claim to prefer recent versions over older ones, but they don’t deny the previous incarnations ever existed–because they know the fans would call them on it.
So, no, a miniscule number of “eyewitness accounts”–usually first “observed” by people in their youth–is not sufficient. Most people readily acknowledge the more likely scenario–that between the novelization, the radio drama, the comic book, and other not-always-consistent contemporaneous retellings of the story (not to mention the fandom rumor mill and urban legend machine), memories become notoriously unreliable, and increasingly so over time.
This is a good summary and I suspect nails it right, based on the facts and evidence available.