Say Trump is defeated. How do we actually fix things?

Here’s a few things I’d do if I was President (if Marianne Williamson can run, so can I!):

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[li] Set up an independent, non-partisan commission to draw congressional districts. Gerrymandering is probably the single biggest contributor to partisan gridlock, because politicians in safe seats can only be primaried from the extreme right (if it’s a Republican district) or extreme left (if it’s Democrat). This means politicians in those districts have absolutely zero incentive to compromise. [/li][li] Abolish the electoral college. Maybe it once served a purpose. I dunno. Today, it’s nothing more than a institutional impediment to representative Democracy. Al Gore got 500,000 more votes than GWB, but he lost because of the electoral college. Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump, but she lost because of the electoral college. This is just flat-out insane. The electoral college is anti Democratic. Period. It needs to be scrapped and replaced with a simpler representative system which guarantees that the candidate with the most votes always wins.[/li][li] Get rid of voting machines and replace them with paper ballots. Most places don’t have voting machines, but quite a lot of places do. In this day and age, voting machines are just a liability. I heard a story a while back about a hacking competition in LA. Two teenagers were able to successfully hack a voting machine in little over ten minutes. We don’t need ‘em, and paper ballots are safer. This should be an absolute no-brainer.[/li][li] Make Election Day a paid federal holiday. Right now, the fact that voting takes place on a work day disproportionately penalises minimum wage workers who get paid piss all per hour and can’t afford the time off. These people may still not vote anyway, but at least it’d be entirely their choice.[/li][li] Demand states scrap photo-ID requirements to vote/register. I’m not necessarily averse to the notion of providing some form of ID (maybe a bank statement, or utility/cell phone bill with your name and address on it or something), but photo ID laws disproportionately target low income voters and, despite the best efforts of the Republican Party, no-one has ever produced a shred of solid evidence that voter fraud is even a thing.[/li][li] The Supreme Court is fucked. It’s not impartial. On the big issues, they nearly always vote on party lines. An idiot like me shouldn’t be able to predict Supreme Court decisions in advance with near unerring accuracy, but I can. How’s that possible? The problem is that every solution I’ve heard could spark a SCOTUS “arms race”. It’d be nice if Democrats could add a tenth seat and stick Merrick Garland on it, but then the Republicans could do the same next time they’re in power. Before you know it, the court would have 500 judges and no-one would give a shit. I think the best solution is to impose term limits of 20 years per justice. If one justice quits, the President can reappoint another. If any more quit during the same Presidency (not term, Presidency), the replacement should be chosen by unanimous consensus of the other Justices. That process will take as long as it takes and in the meantime the Justices don’t hear cases and don’t get paid. Hopefully, that’ll incentivise them to pick moderates.[/li][li] Immediately re-enter the Paris accords and the Iran nuclear deal.[/li][li] Reduce the military budget by 10%, and let the generals figure out where the cuts should go. The US Military Budget is larger than those of the next nine most powerful countries combined. Chopping 10% off isn’t going to make anybody less safe. Then, use those savings to invest in green energy, build sea defences, offset CO2 emissions and otherwise prepare for the impending climate crisis. Global heating will inevitably cost more lives and damage more property than terrorists ever could, so it’s a better use of that money.[/li][/ul]

Your number three is what prompted this discussion. There are some good ideas in this thread, but I am not seeing a realistic pathway to most of them even with the Democrats in power.

My concern is that get, at best, four years of respite. Undoing the executive orders will be easy; any substantive change will be so hard that I don’t see how it happens.

Part of the challenge is, how do we change the political culture, and how do we respond to broader cultural changes that are occurring within our society at a dizzying pace?

One major pain in the ass as I see it is the increasing power that Big Tech companies have to really disrupt and destroy any chance at social harmony. Anyone looking at Facebook right now should see that they’re increasingly a malevolent actor, but they’re not alone. How do we stop them? How do we stop major corporations that want the power to rule the world?

I was not initially in favor of breaking up Big Tech, but the more I think about it, the more I am starting to understand what their game is, I’m for it. They’re basically the Standard Oil and “Ma Bell” of today, and they have to be controlled. Or we will sustain fatal damage culturally, economically, and politically.

That’s just a start though. We also have to reverse the criminally wrong Court rulings that gave us unregulated dark money funding of campaigns.

Yes, please join with me in voting that traitorous D Ben McAdams in UT-4 out of office.

I’m interested in hearing your idea about how one would “break up” Facebook. What did you have in mind? When they broke up Bell, it was into a half-dozen or so regional companies. You going to do regional Facebooks? facebook.ca, facebook.tx, and facebook.ny? And do you imagine these regional actors would be any less malevolent?

We can’t.

Bush may have been an accident. Trump is a sign something far deeper and darker is at work.

The reality is a huge % of Americans are so loyal to the concept of America being a white Christian nation that they’ll abandon every other principle they have to support anyone who supports identity politics. The world isn’t ignorant of this fact. You can commit treason, be a child molester, be grossly incompetent, be a criminal, assault democracy*, destroy alliances, ignore science, etc. It doesn’t matter. As long as you support the idea that whites are better than non whites, men are better than women, Christians are better than other faiths and native born Americans are better than those born in other nations you’re all but guaranteed 60 million votes.

I’m not saying every trump voter is a racist. But identity politics is a big part of the modern gop. All the stuff they pretended to care about like deficits, free trade, competence, etc trump does the opposite and his voters don’t care.

All we can do is wait for demographics to replace the older voters with younger voters. Younger voters are not as concerned with identity politics. The rest of the world will look to China and western Europe to lead while America fights a cold Civil War over identity politics. Maybe in the 2030s the world will be ready to let America lead again. But the 2020s are a lost period for American leadership.

*technically this is a feature, not a bug of the modern gop.

You ask a fair question, which I’m not sure I have the answer to. But it seems maybe the place to start would be to separate some of the smaller businesses (i.e. Instagram, etc) so that they can function independently. But you’re not wrong to ask the question: is it realistic to break up, FB or Big Tech, and what would be the result? Maybe simply threatening to break them up would force them to capitulate on relenting to more regulatory oversight, particularly where e-commerce, taxation, and data protection are concerned.

I guess that could work if New York and California voters were allowed to vote for all states.

As far as I can see, the main changes are stuff that would be relatively easily reversed- some might even happen as a course of a Presidential change (new Cabinet secretaries would hopefully reverse nonsense like no climate change discussions, for example). The executive orders are another.

As far as actual legislation is concerned, that’s going to take more than just getting Trump out of office- you’ll have to get Congress to pass some kind of remediation legislation, and that might be a heavier lift than a new President can pull off on some issues.

I really don’t think what we’re seeing is the results of rural bigots and assorted assholes from everywhere. I recently took a road trip that went through a lot of rural territory, and it was pretty eye opening. Not in the sense of “What assholes these hicks are!” or anything like that. If anything, it was exactly the opposite. Everyone was really nice, welcoming, polite, etc… And they were overwhelmingly white and rural.

What I see every day in Dallas is so out of the pale to them, that it may as well be science fiction. Not to bash North Platte, Nebraska, but the place is about 25,000 people with 250 black people. 1%. And only 10% of the population was under the poverty line, but median income was not high either. Basically it was very white, lower middle class and rural. Most everything that we debate to the point of nausea around here is about as relevant to them as stuff I might read on CNN about goings-on in Ukraine or Argentina. Or really about as relevant as me reading about increases in ag diesel taxes or fertilizer. I mean, it might manifest itself as higher prices at the grocery store, but that’s far from a done deal.

I think the first step on fixing things in a larger fashion would be to engage in a concerted effort to show how people in Bushwick, NY, Sunnyside in Houston, North Platte, NE, San Diego, CA and rural Maine have things in common beyond income taxes, a common postal service, and the same flag. That would go a long way toward maybe finding some common ground, which is what is needed to remedy the problems we’re experiencing.

I think for the dems to have any credentials they need to be realistic and find issues that while not popular with the far left, we all might agree on.

The first is we must have strong borders and illegally coming here will not be tolerated. You will be sent back across that fence. Not because we are racist or insensitive but because we have enough problems right now with homelessness and poverty and trying to provide social services and overburdened infrastructure, we cant take on anymore people. No it wont be pretty having ICE raiding here and there and detention facilities still arent going to be Holiday Inns but it is necessary.

Next, if we are going to have a national healthcare system (and I hope we do) we should go all out and do it right but be honest and let people know that a national system will be just as tight fisted with money as an insurance company is and there will be tax increases on everyone.

Most of the things mentioned in this thread aren’t permanent problems. They can be fixed, broken again, and then fixed again. The big problem is climate change. There is a limited time frame for fixing things, most likely a few decades. I don’t know how to convince enough people to make the sacrifices that need to be made in order to solve the problem, but if we don’t I think it means the end of civilization as we know it some time in the next hundred years. Here are my proposed solutions, some of which might only require a better educated public but some that would require real sacrifice.

  1. Replace coal and natural gas power plants with nuclear fission power as safely and quickly as possible. I realize that the uranium supply is limited, but even 30-40 years of a world running on uranium instead of coal might be enough to turn things around.

  2. Make the vast majority of cars run on the now nuclear powered electricity rather than on gas.

  3. Continue research into more advanced solar and wind methods to generate electricity while we also keep working on the nuclear fusion that will hopefully arrive by the time we start running out of uranium.

The biggest problem seems to be that we don’t agree on what the problem is and so we have to do that before we can fix it.

I think the problem is hyper partisanship which makes it impossible to compromise and arrive on solutions. Thus the solution is to empower the moderates by giving more control of candidate selection to parties, and more federalism which will allow state governments more power.

Good list… I’d add to it and remove the power to draw legislative districts from the state legislatures, and are placed in some sort of nonpartisan board.

I’m starting to be convinced that gerrymandered districts are a big part of our problem, in that they don’t reflect the actual makeup of the populace.

The President has no power to do so, and it’s pretty much impossible. It would take 3/5th of the states to agree. Since half the states benefit from it, they wont agree.

I think that would lower voter turnout, not increase it. And today, every voter can take paid time off if they can’t get to the polls during work hours, it’s the law.

Yep, and dump the racist Real ID.

I am not sure if Iran was dealing fairly on that, trump might have been right.

I agree with both of these comments.

America - its leaders and its people - should undergo a deprogramming and be disabused of their absurd claim to be uniquely great, exceptional, or the envy of the world, and all their similar platitudinous bullshit.

The US was unique, a quarter millennium ago. Now, not so much, except in its nostalgia for what never really was.

More importantly, Americans should finally realize that “Freedom and Liberty”[sup]TM[/sup] are not the exclusive purview of the US. Belgium is free, Canada is free, New Zealand is free . . . Or, as Aaron Sorkin so nicely put it:

Sorkin didn’t mention the ‘Happiness Index’ which may be the real metric of a nation’s greatness. The US? 18th. Costa Rica? 13th. Canada is 7th, and the countries of ‘socialist’ northwestern Europe are 1st through 6th. Go figure.

Only when Americans realize they are not only not the greatest, but are not even great, can they start to become so.

The USA is a very big nation. It cant expect to be #1 in those things, and I doubt if it was #1 even during the 50’s. Bigger nations run towards the middle, that’s how statistics goes. Many of those nations dont even have the population of a middlin US state.

America is the Greatest World Power.

I’d start with filling all of the positions that Trump has never bothered with. Replace Devos, Rick Perry, Ben Carson, etc. with good people and give them free rein to get to work.

I’d get a green new deal going. Put people to work, pay them a good wage and give them access to health care. You would see a transformation in this country if we did that. IMO

We need infrastructure and big ideas in health care. We need to increase the tax rate on the wealthiest in order to support this country. We need a reasonable plan for immigration and gun control.

We need SMART people in charge.

Rehire as many experienced diplomats, scientists, etc. who resigned from Federal agencies as possible. And reverse any policies that encourage resignations (e.g., moving the Bureau of Land Management out of Washington).

You can’t. Because of your ideological blinders, you simply don’t know what you’re doing.