Saying Hot Chick = Being A Misogynist Asshole

[Czarcasm]

@octopus

I wonder what other adjective-noun combinations describing people are terribly un-PC or intrinsically bigoted nowadays. Is smart woman a misogynistic, dehumanizing combination? It’s commenting on a trait that is a function of biology, the brain and its ability, and noting the gender. Smartness, quickness, height, weight, number of toes, hair color are all things that make up a body. Let’s say there was an athletic woman on the beach and I commented to my friend or wife that she looked strong, would that be misogyny? That’s a judgement based on physical observation.

Why is it that something like sexual desirability from a visual standpoint is verboten to speak about but intellectual ability, class, profession, political affiliation, etc are all fair game to note? Even race, age, and gender are critiqued in this very thread. We see the cliche admonishments to old, white, males yet again and again and again with no hint of irony.

So it doesn’t appear that reductionism or stereotyping is the problem. The problem seems to be that a particular expression involving a non-preapproved to comment about group is used. Well, if you want to change society don’t be a hypocrite. This whole thread reads like a script from that bookstore in Portlandia. What is it 8 pages now? I wonder how many pages that Serena Williams caricature would generate.

Are you afraid of women that aren’t subservient to you? Is that the reason you are trying to drive them away from this board with your sexist drivel? Holy shit, you are disgusting.

[Gyrate]

@octopus

I wonder what other adjective-noun combinations describing people are terribly un-PC or intrinsically bigoted nowadays. Is smart woman a misogynistic, dehumanizing combination? It’s commenting on a trait that is a function of biology, the brain and its ability, and noting the gender. Smartness, quickness, height, weight, number of toes, hair color are all things that make up a body. Let’s say there was an athletic woman on the beach and I commented to my friend or wife that she looked strong, would that be misogyny? That’s a judgement based on physical observation.

Why is it that something like sexual desirability from a visual standpoint is verboten to speak about but intellectual ability, class, profession, political affiliation, etc are all fair game to note? Even race, age, and gender are critiqued in this very thread. We see the cliche admonishments to old, white, males yet again and again and again with no hint of irony.

So it doesn’t appear that reductionism or stereotyping is the problem. The problem seems to be that a particular expression involving a non-preapproved to comment about group is used. Well, if you want to change society don’t be a hypocrite. This whole thread reads like a script from that bookstore in Portlandia. What is it 8 pages now? I wonder how many pages that Serena Williams caricature would generate.

…says the person who just ignored those same 8 pages of commentary in order to impose his own pre-determined narrative onto every response. Never mind the detailed discussions of why the context of the remarks are important, nor the collective experiences of the female respondents and why they find the phrase generally offensive - no, it’s clearly the liberal hivemind at work, feigning offense at innocuous phrases in order to impose their oppressive PC agenda on the world.

Have I got that about right, octopus?

[octopus]

@Czarcasm

Are you afraid of women that aren’t subservient to you? Is that the reason you are trying to drive them away from this board with your sexist drivel? Holy shit, you are disgusting.

That’s a dumb analysis. Even for you. If calling people cunts and wishing cactus sodomy upon people isn’t upsetting enough to drive the womyn away I fail to see why hotness of a random whomever would be. But then again, intellectual consistency isn’t a strength around here.

But to answer your questions. No. And not trying to drive anyone away. How about you? You trying to drive away old people? White people? Male people? How about the intellectual sub par? All those traits are crapped upon around here with no pushback. That’s my point, fool, you and many others want a double standard to crap without restraint on whomever you wish. But heaven forbid someone say a woman is pretty.

@Gyrate

…says the person who just ignored those same 8 pages of commentary in order to impose his own pre-determined narrative onto every response. Never mind the detailed discussions of why the context of the remarks are important, nor the collective experiences of the female respondents and why they find the phrase generally offensive - no, it’s clearly the liberal hivemind at work, feigning offense at innocuous phrases in order to impose their oppressive PC agenda on the world.

Have I got that about right, octopus?

Yeah, the women who care enough about the topic to post about it in the Pit and to organize at the giraffe board for months if not longer on this subject and to look for threads on this board that have content to fuel their board are presenting a particular narrative. That doesn’t mean that narrative is the majority. I provided one anecdote and was told that women themselves are part of the patriarchy!!! I asked my wife about the phrase. She said it doesn’t generally bother her. Who should weigh more? A non random group which may be somewhat organized here on the internet that present one opinion? Or the diverse sentiments that I see and hear in the real world?

For the sake of argument, lets concede that “hot chick” was that bad. Is it really the best tactic to use uglier and broader stereotypes directed at other groups and other traits? Do you not see the hypocrisy in demanding a particular standard of behavior while behaving even worse than the “offense” that triggered the original demand?

Now, I’m called disgusting, but you don’t see me in these threads talking about hot chicks or fine dudes or whatever. I’d like to see those in here who are so passionate about not objectifying women extrapolate that to people in general. I sincerely doubt that will ever happen though. Because, that’s not the real issue nor game now is it?

[Czarcasm]

More “I don’t have to be nice unless everyone treats me like fine china, even in The BBQ Pit” bullshit from trollopus.

[Ulfreida]

@octopus

That’s a dumb analysis. Even for you. If calling people cunts and wishing cactus sodomy upon people isn’t upsetting enough to drive the womyn away I fail to see why hotness of a random whomever would be. But then again, intellectual consistency isn’t a strength around here.

But to answer your questions. No. And not trying to drive anyone away. How about you? You trying to drive away old people? White people? Male people? How about the intellectual sub par? All those traits are crapped upon around here with no pushback. That’s my point, fool, you and many others want a double standard to crap without restraint on whomever you wish. But heaven forbid someone say a woman is pretty.

Yeah, the women who care enough about the topic to post about it in the Pit and to organize at the giraffe board for months if not longer on this subject and to look for threads on this board that have content to fuel their board are presenting a particular narrative. That doesn’t mean that narrative is the majority. I provided one anecdote and was told that women themselves are part of the patriarchy!!! I asked my wife about the phrase. She said it doesn’t generally bother her. Who should weigh more? A non random group which may be somewhat organized here on the internet that present one opinion? Or the diverse sentiments that I see and hear in the real world?

For the sake of argument, lets concede that “hot chick” was that bad. Is it really the best tactic to use uglier and broader stereotypes directed at other groups and other traits? Do you not see the hypocrisy in demanding a particular standard of behavior while behaving even worse than the “offense” that triggered the original demand?

Now, I’m called disgusting, but you don’t see me in these threads talking about hot chicks or fine dudes or whatever. I’d like to see those in here who are so passionate about not objectifying women extrapolate that to people in general. I sincerely doubt that will ever happen though. Because, that’s not the real issue nor game now is it?

Here’s what I heard:

1. Just because a whole lot of women are offended doesn’t mean they count for anything. Could be they aren’t the “dominant narrative”, in which case I am a-okay. Just ask my wife!

2. Getting mad at being insulted, especially to the point of responding in kind, is hypocritical. I ignore hypocrites and carry on doing what I was before.

Did I get that right?

[Sunny_Daze]

For the umpteenth time, context in this and every case, and the world is changing. It’s not changing just here on this message board. This isn’t about you. Sorry. :dubious:

Ninjaed!

[Gyrate]

@octopus

Yeah, the women who care enough about the topic to post about it in the Pit and to organize at the giraffe board for months if not longer on this subject and to look for threads on this board that have content to fuel their board are presenting a particular narrative. That doesn’t mean that narrative is the majority. I provided one anecdote and was told that women themselves are part of the patriarchy!!! I asked my wife about the phrase. She said it doesn’t generally bother her. Who should weigh more? A non random group which may be somewhat organized here on the internet that present one opinion? Or the diverse sentiments that I see and hear in the real world?

For the sake of argument, lets concede that “hot chick” was that bad. Is it really the best tactic to use uglier and broader stereotypes directed at other groups and other traits? Do you not see the hypocrisy in demanding a particular standard of behavior while behaving even worse than the “offense” that triggered the original demand?

Now, I’m called disgusting, but you don’t see me in these threads talking about hot chicks or fine dudes or whatever. I’d like to see those in here who are so passionate about not objectifying women extrapolate that to people in general. I sincerely doubt that will ever happen though. Because, that’s not the real issue nor game now is it?

So yes, I got it right.

[octopus]

@Czarcasm

More “I don’t have to be nice unless everyone treats me like fine china, even in The BBQ Pit” bullshit from trollopus.

I don’t have to be nice. I am nice though. What doesn’t get through your thick head is that it’s awfully ironic to demand a higher standard of behavior then you and your like-behaving people are willing to demonstrate. You all are hypocrites.

The stance you are advocating, even if I disagreed with that one particular example, would be far more believable and defensible if you didn’t, in the very same threads, post more offensive stuff but just aimed at an approved group. Unfortunately, you and many others lack the honesty and character to admit this. You want double standards. Just say so. Be honest for once.

@Ulfreida

Here’s what I heard:

1. Just because a whole lot of women are offended doesn’t mean they count for anything. Could be they aren’t the “dominant narrative”, in which case I am a-okay. Just ask my wife!

Four or five or whatever amount of women on this particular message board is not a diverse group of thought. Nor is it necessarily representative of the world or even country.

2. Getting mad at being insulted, especially to the point of responding in kind, is hypocritical. I ignore hypocrites and carry on doing what I was before.

Did I get that right?

Not really. For one, I don’t ignore hypocrites. I point out that obvious hypocrisy is counterproductive for social change. I still listen to what the hypocrites have to say. If I didn’t read and consider their point of view what would the point of helping them refine their message? You all should be thankful that I’m willing to help with message crafting. You never take my advice though. And that does hurt.

@Sunny_Daze

For the umpteenth time, context in this and every case, and the world is changing. It’s not changing just here on this message board. This isn’t about you. Sorry. :dubious:

Ninjaed!

Hello, Sunny!

I’m glad the world is changing and in my opinion it’s changing a bit too slowly in many ways. However, posting as caricatures isn’t the solution.

[Ambivalid]

@Shagnasty

What are you supposed to say if someone is a “hot chick”?

That’s a hard one. Hmm, if only that specific topic had been addressed, then the answer might be clear. Alas, I guess we’ll never know…

[crowmanyclouds]

@octopus

{…} You trying to drive away {…} the intellectual sub par? {…}

I told ya he’d catch on eventually . . . but did ya listen?

CMC fnord!

[Czarcasm]

@octopus

I don’t have to be nice. I am nice though. What doesn’t get through your thick head is that it’s awfully ironic to demand a higher standard of behavior then you and your like-behaving people are willing to demonstrate. You all are hypocrites.

I swear at people that deserve it in a forum designed for that reason, while you are a misogynistic asshole who thinks that if you refrain from swearing that somehow counts as being “nice”. The truth is that, even if I call you a misogynistic asshole, I am nicer than you by far.

[Ambivalid]

Nm

[octopus]

@Czarcasm

I swear at people that deserve it in a forum designed for that reason, while you are a misogynistic asshole who thinks that if you refrain from swearing that somehow counts as being “nice”. The truth is that, even if I call you a misogynistic asshole, I am nicer than you by far.

You aren’t very bright. I don’t think you even understand what the conversation is.

[Czarcasm]

@octopus

You aren’t very bright.

And that isn’t very nice.
Hypocrite.

[octopus]

@Czarcasm

And that isn’t very nice.
Hypocrite.

:smack:

Well, darn. It is hard being consistent!

[raventhief]

“I asked my wife about the phrase. She said it doesn’t generally bother her. Who should weigh more?”

I mean yeah, it doesn’t generally bother her, but sometimes it does (otherwise why modify it) but it’s not like context matters or anything. So maybe instead of assuming everyone needs to hear the sexual attraction value judgement - the penisfeelings could, I don’t know, be left unsaid unless there is a good reason to share (and no, ‘the thought popped into my head’ is not a good reason to share. )

[Slash1972]

@octopus

I asked my wife about the phrase. She said it doesn’t generally bother her. Who should weigh more?

Is your wife hot? Only by knowing that could I make the determination on whether her opinion means more or not.

[octopus]

@raventhief

“I asked my wife about the phrase. She said it doesn’t generally bother her. Who should weigh more?”

I mean yeah, it doesn’t generally bother her, but sometimes it does (otherwise why modify it) but it’s not like context matters or anything. So maybe instead of assuming everyone needs to hear the sexual attraction value judgement - the penisfeelings could, I don’t know, be left unsaid unless there is a good reason to share (and no, ‘the thought popped into my head’ is not a good reason to share. )

I can’t say I disagree with all that.

@Slash1972

Is your wife hot? Only by knowing that could I make the determination on whether her opinion means more or not.

I think she’s hot. I’m not posting pics in the Pit though. And concerning her opinion? Like any other opinion it’s just one person’s thoughts at one particular point in time. So, hot or not, it’s probably not worth a tremendous amount in the grand scheme of things.

[nightshadea]

what confuses the issue is things like this on dillards.com

for high school homecoming dance dresses "homecoming hotties " bring the heat at the years biggest party under the graphic of 4 nubile modles wearing great looking expensive dresses
now if someone seen a girl from the dance they didn’t know a month later and said “oh theres the hottie from the homecoming dance” whilst walking down the street ………

[SisterCoyote]

Because advertising (which, I concede, is getting somewhat better) tends to assume the male gaze, even for something a woman is going to wear, campaigns such as the dillards one you mention that should have been shot down still make it through. (Trust me – that Victoria’s Secret catalog? That’s not generally for the actual target market.) I mean, even when I was a high school girl (in the 1980s) I would have rolled my eyes at “homecoming hotties” – tell me what I really want to know about the dresses, including: a) do I need gaffer tape to keep both the bra and the dress in place throughout the dance and b) does the damn thing have pockets?