But did that person tie the “suffering” comment to a question of his existence?
You better not be suspecting me over there. I said he wasn’t as skinny as a lich. That observation is entirely consistent with your claim that he never existed.
If he never existed, then logically he can’t be that skinny, now can he? He wouldn’t possess any attributes. We are not in disagreement, so stop disagreeing with me. Otherwise I shall be forced to describe other famous characters of uncertain historicity, and nobody wants that.
Your observation, however, *precedes *my *suspicion *that he never existed. In other words, you started it. So there.
Agreed.
I didn’t ‘start’ anything! Unless claiming that Jesus wasn’t a dessicated sideshow freak automatically demands the reply that he wasn’t not an historical dessicated sideshow freak!
Which I believe was the point of FriarTed’s remark, unless it wasn’t.
As far as that goes, I agree that he wasn’t a dessicated sideshow freak, for reasons you so eloquently stated above.
Thank you. In return, I hereby refrain from describing the horrible secret of Robin Hood’s knees.
Whew! That was a close one.
Yeah, the difference is that makes him an imbecile or into S&M. If he’s all-powerful, then there’s no need for anybody to suffer at all.
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As a non-Christian admirer of Jesus of Nazareth, looking in at Christianity from the outside as it were, I’ve always found the crucifixes (crucifixen? crucifices?) downright creepy. As in “An institutional religion did this, intentionally even if indirectly, to one of their own who preached forgiveness and charity and sharing and valuing the spirit more than the letter of the law… let this stand as a warning to anyone foolish enough to try it again!”
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Mmm, I dunno if it’s less ‘honest’ to haul off the suffering corpse and replace it with the clean steel unoccupied instrument of torture or not.