That was not my intention, I wished to use the gay strait alience as an example of what I was saying, not as an end of what I was saying. I used the gay strait alience as an example, not the only example. I did not say that joining this organization automaticaly made you gay eather, simply that the members were pressured to become so, not that every member did. I feel that schools, through their “Diversity conditioning” and “Gay strait alience” are promoting homosexuality among high school students…
No, Ipse, it’s promoting acceptance of other people, their identities and choices in life. (Requesting both sides not to get off on a homosexuality =/!= choice tangent.)
How in the world do you pressure someone into becoming homosexual? I can see some extremely impressionable teen perhaps be able to be pressured (hell, for very large sums of money and my wife’s approval, I’m there) into having intimate contact with a member of the same sex, but that doesn’t make them homosexual.
OK - Andrew Cunanen (the guy who killed Versace) committed sucide as the cops were closing in to arrest him for his multiple murders. Therefore, everyone who thinks murderers should be arrested is guilty of his death?
AIDS in America is spread primarily thru homosexual anal intercourse. People die of AIDS. Therefore, everyone who supports a pro-gay/anti-homophobic/whatever the hell you want to quibble about wants people to get AIDS?
Some people drink themselves to death. Anyone who supports legal drinking wants alcoholics to die?
Talk about a straw man.
Regards,
Shodan
well, that is it… they are not homosexuals, but they are pressured into thinking they are… As, I am sure you have heard all the stories about a gay guy with a wife and kids, these people were pressured into doing something that was “socialy acceptable” though for these people it is socaly acceptable to be gay, because in their search for a society to belong in, there society was one of homosexuals…
I am not saying that they become homosexual by any means, one does not become a homosexual, but they are welcomed by the homosexual community, posibly the first time they have been welcomed in their life. Through being welcomed, and made to feel comfortable, they are being reinforced to be with this group.
So, Ipse, what are you saying?
So, it’s a horrible, horrible thing that these social outcasts finds a group of people (also social outcasts) who accept them? And that, because they’re accepted, they may not condemn this group of social outcasts as heartily as the rest of society?
Oh, the horror. :rolleyes:
Cite? My understanding is that the principal vectors for the propogation of AIDS are heterosexual penile-vaginal intercourse and incidental intravenous transfer through the use of infected needles or other devices for injecting drugs. Homosexual anal intercourse is a distant third, if not fourth or fifth by now.
Your understanding conflicts with what the CDC reports.
Homosexual anal intercourse is now, and has always been, the primary method of transmission of AIDS in the United States.
Regards,
Shodan
Speaking of cite, I ask yet again if anyone has found anything to confirm the tale told in the original link? Y’know, the one about the Planned Parenthood demo that was supposedly given without the consent of the parents?
I found a link indicating that the school board was considering letting the theater troupe appear. It’s somewhere on the second page, I think. That’s the best I could find.
I don’t see that at all. The document you cited covers all cases (hence the term “cumulative”). It is not a report on current trends. Secondly, the CDC reports only on the United States. While it is true that the highest risk factor in the United States is still male-male anal sex (assuming you don’t elect to correct for reporting bias), this is not true in most of Africa, where the infection rate is much higher. Worldwide, the African infection rates completely drown out American rates, and in Africa heterosexual sex is far and away the highest risk factor.
Try again. You still haven’t produced a valid cite.
No offense, KellyM, but you need to reread what I stated.
You object that the CDC statistics do not show current trends, but admit that “the highest risk factor in the United States is still male-male anal sex”. In other words, the current trend is for AIDS patients to have been infected by homosexual anal intercourse with an infected partner. Just as I stated.
The CDC statistics show that this has always been the case in the US. Just as I stated.
The CDC statistics apply only to the US. Just as I stated.
I realize that my statements are politically incorrect, as well as antithetical to the “AIDS is a disease of everyone” nonsense currently being peddled by AIDS activists lobbying for funding, but they are nonetheless the exact and literal truth.
Aren’t facts inconvenient?
Regards,
Shodan
While homosexual activity is the primary method of contraction in the U.S., the above statement is not accurate. Two out of three (approximately) current adult contractions of AIDS are not linked to homosexual activities.
It should also be noted that the CDC studies do not determine the actual means of transmission. Rather, they merely interview individuals diagnosed with AIDS and identify the “risk factors”. This process is biased: if the individual is male and has ever had sex with another man, even if only once, they will list the case as “sex with men”.
KellyM -
Also incorrect.
Again, reread the statistics. If a person has two risk factors such IV drug abuse and sex with men, he goes into another category. He is not listed as a “sex with men” case.
DMC - Saying “homosexual activity is the primary method of contraction in the U.S.” is my position. If you are arguing in support of KellyM’s position that heterosexual intercourse is the means by which most AIDS cases in America were transmitted in recent years, I will have to ask you for a cite.
It is very uncommon for a man in America to contract the AIDS virus from heterosexual, vaginal intercourse.
Most cases of AIDS in America are male.
The two most common causes of most HIV infections in America are:
- Being the receptive partner in homosexual anal intercourse with an infected male, and
- IV drug abuse.
N.B. - If we are just going to quibble over semantics like the pro-choice/anti-life garbage earlier, the hell with it.
Regards,
Shodan
Shodan: Yes, they will list both “sex with men” and “IV drug use” as a double factor. But if a person who has had sex with thirty-six different female prostitutes and one man gets AIDS, the CDC will call that a “sex with men” case, disregarding the other risk factor.
Your claim that “It is very uncommon for a man in America to contract the AIDS virus from heterosexual, vaginal intercourse” is based on a reporting system that is predicated on that assumption. There’s a chicken and egg problem here.
Shodan,
I wasn’t arguing in support of anyone’s position. I simply took the data from your source and came to the conclusion that a person in the US is more likely to get AIDS from one of the other vectors than from homosexual activities, which goes against your statement that I quoted.
In political terms (US data only), a plurality of recent AIDS cases resulted from homosexual activity, but the majority of AIDS cases were not linked to this.
DMC:
If you’re going by Shodan’s cite, 361,867 cases are in the homosexual men category, 296,957 are in the the non-homosexual men category, 50,066 are in the homsexual men and drug user category, and 75,142 are in the unknown category. While it’s possible (but, in IMHO, not very reasonable) to interpret those numbers to conclude that homosexual men are a minority, it is certainly not true that they make up only one third of the cases. Where did you get that?
The Ryan,
The discussion was in regards to current trends, not the cumulative total. Look at the June 2000 - June 2001 numbers, and you’ll see the same numbers that I used.
The Ryan,
I should probably have included this link to the breakdown of the numbers.