Sci Fi Channel's Dune Miniseries. What have you thought so far?

I watched it. My biggest problem is taking it for its own merits. I read the book and watched the movie a couple months ago (getting ready), so the other is fairly fresh. Thus it’s hard to take this version and see how it stands on its own merits.

The first night was slow and ponderous, and rather confusing with a parade of bland characters that are hard to sort out. I didn’t know who Dr. Yueh was until the betrayal scene. That was one thing I thought the movie did better on casting. Making the characters stand out.

Also, William Hurt as Leto? Leto was dynamic, excitable, vivid. And black haired. William Hurt is quiet, passive, timid, bland. Even when he gets angry at the attempt on Paul’s life, you don’t believe it. I thought the movie casting was much better.

The miniseries followed the movie’s misappropriation. In the book, it’s the Padishah Emperor that is the redhead. Not the Harkonnens.

I also had trouble with the names. Practically every pronunciation chosen in this version is different than the ones I use. Layto. Hark uh nuhns. When Chani pronounced “paradise” as “pah rah dees”, I cracked up.

Overall the costumes weren’t bad - a little elaborate, but I get a sense that the flashiness is meant to portray the regal appearances. Clearly the Sardaukar uniforms are meant to reflect the Swiss Guard uniforms of the Vatican. I thought that an interesting homage. Sure they’re frilly and poofy and goofy - but based in tradition.

The stillsuits overall were better in the movie, but one thing this version did right was the hats and face masks. The movie version had the heads totally exposed. At least these stillsuits covered the head.

The second night was better, and the third night was gripping. The third night seemed very close to the book.

The new parts with Irulan were done in my mind to flesh her out as a character, I suspect partly in an effort to bulk up the women’s roles a little. While not true to the book, I’m trying to look at the miniseries and if it works. The visit to Feyd was the substitution for another character in the book, with a slightly different purpose.

I thought the portrayal of the Harkonnens much better in this version, much closer to the book. The movie version they were brutal, vile, and disgusting, but the whole boils and diseases, and cult of blood stuff was way over the top and not true to the book at all. The Baron was an effete epicurean, not a blood crazy swine. And the whole “heart plug” thing was stupid. I appreciated seeing a little more of the Harkonnen interal conflict.

And yes, I caught the similarity of appearance of Jessica to Marina Sirtis.

Exposition wise, I felt some was lacking. There wasn’t much of an explanation of what the test that the Bene Gesserit conducted on him was supposed to designate. The Kwisatz Haderach info didn’t come until later. There was no explanation of the role of the mentats. They came off as some sort of mild court adviser rather than the serious planning asset they were supposed to play.

I did like the special effects better. Better thopters, much better shields, no stupid “weirding modules”. And I, for one, liked these Guild Navigators better than the movie - at least what they did with the navigation. Not sure about the shape and look, but the act of navigation was so much better. The movie version was a big light show that made no sense and looked lame and would have been much better being one of the omitted scenes.

The movie suffered from being too confusing if you had not read the book and too glossed over if you had.

This version is in a lot of ways a more complete and truer adaptation.

I only saw part three, but I liked it for the most part. Since I’ve read the book at least four times (but it’s been several years), I had no problem following it. At least there were no weirding modules (WTF?) and it didn’t rain at the end. I normally like Lynch movies, but I didn’t like the Dune movie.

As far as the actor who played Paul… Yummy. :wink:

Well, saw the tail end of this last night (episode 4?). I just recently happened to catch the Lynch version on TV a while back and was convinced that nothing could be more rancid. Now I’m not so sure.

The production values looked really poor. Bad costumes, bad sets, dull sets, bad staging, and performances that must have been phoned in by ansible from some distant planet.

I think it takes a special kind of actor to pull off the Messianic role of powerful but not infallible hero with mysterious powers. The guy who played Paul Atreides just didn’t have it. (Bruce Boxleitner didn’t have it in Babylon 5 either, but this actor was worse. Much worse.) The scene where Paul speaks to the Fremen from the ledge and water starts pouring down? That just looked really cheesy.

The choreography of the final battle was just awful. I thought Fremen were skilled and fierce desert warriors. I thought the Emperor’s troops were ranked #2 in the galaxy next to the Fremen. None of them looked like they’d ever held weapons before. The Sardaukar (?) all looked like Hell’s Angels thugs. The Fremen looked like a mob of hicks with knives. All 20 or 30 of them. (Damn it, in an epic, spring for the extras. The scene where four or five Fremen are pouring up the palace steps and all the guards were fleeing in panic was hilarious.) And the sandworms looked awful. In the Lynch version, even though the special effects looked like they dated from the 1950s, the sandworms were HUGE and impressive.

The scene in which Beast Rabbin (?) (pardon the spelling, it’s probably been 25 years since I read the book) was killed by the mob made no sense. OK, so a mob has invaded the palace. Let’s wander around the room like a stunned beef cow until they show up, shall we?

Finally, the knife fight between Paul and Feyd(?). Yeesh. At least they could try to show Paul’s view of potential realities, in which he’s not sure he’s going to survive the fight. Although even if we haven’t read Dune, we all know the cinematic cliches. There’s no chance the hero is going to get aced in the final fight to the death. The only questions are, “how good a fight is it going to be?”, “how bad is the hero going to get mauled before the bad guy’s inexplicable lapse in concentration that lets the hero miraculously recover from a point of hopeless disadvantage and administer the coup de grace?”, and “how corny is the dialog going to be?”

Well, it wasn’t a very good fight.
Paul (“None of you could defeat me in a knife fight.”) Atreides enters the fight clutching his knife as if he were about to fight Janet Leigh in a shower rather than a skilled and deadly assassin. It’s a shock to me that there are any directors left on the planet who don’t know that in a knife fight, your blade is supposed to face towards the bad guy.

They probably couldn’t have picked a more goofy looking costume for Paul to fight in, and that includes the hats that the Bene Genesereth were wearing. I agree with the “diaper” description. The net effect was to make Paul look like a plowboy. The choreography was far worse than your standard episode of Xena the Warrior Princess, and the last minute escape from certain death was just hackneyed.

So, in summary, the original Dune sucked. And, at least for the last episode, I think the mini series sucked worse.

I haven’t seen the miniseries, but the knife fight in the film bothered me because Paul held the knife wrong in it too (with the blade on the side of the hand away from the thumb). Though sometimes the knife is flipped around that way for certain attacks, you want to keep it with the blade pointing up most of the time, as you can stab and slash in more directions quicker and you can switch the blade to another hand faster. I guess it looks cooler the other way, though.

I don’t think it is possible to do a good film adaptation of Dune…so much of of it’s subtleties would never come through, the internal thoughts, the messages conveyed between characters through subtle body language…though the voice-overs in the Lynch film were corny, they did serve a purpose, Lynch realized how important the characters hidden thoughts were to the story.

A miniseries of Dune would have been the only opportunity available to convey the complicated plot and characterization from this book. However, this miniseries fell terribly short. The casting was terrible, the costumes cheesy, and this version did nothing to help someone who hadn’t read the book understand the complex story line.

The movie by David Lynch was at least dramatically stylized and the casting was better. I watched all three nights but was disappointed. Oh well, I wasn’t interested in all those boring Christmas specials anyway.

Needs2know

Thank you! My sentiments exactly!

Thank you! My sentiments exactly!

I rented and watched the whole thing last night. I’m glad I still have my copy of the David Lynch version, 'cause it was 100 times better!

Long live the fighters!


Pete
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