Dune - the books, the movie(s)?

Well. In terms of background, the only Dune book I’ve ever read is the original; I’ve never read any of the sequels, or seen the movies, or anything.

I was at Blockbuster the other day and saw the Dune movie (is there more than one?) on DVD; it’s the one that came out a couple of years ago or so and was on TV, not at movie theatres. I remember it looked pretty cool then, and seeing how much I love the Dune book, I need your opinions.

Should I bother to rent the movie? Or is there an older version that’s better? How accurate is it/they to the book?

and… should I bother reading any of the other books in the series?

The movie is great. That is if you like ‘b’ movies with huge budgets.

Is this the theater released movie with Kyle MacLachlan, Sean Young, Sting, Patrick Stewart, Linda Hunt and Max Van Sydow.

There is one cable mini-series that I saw. If you liked the book, this would be a much better choice. Unless you’re hankering to see big vagina-in-a-watery-box navigators.

The David Lynch movie version came out in the 1980’s – I think around 84 or so. What you describe sounds like the more recent made-for-TV version. I never saw the latter, but I heard it was pretty good.

The 80’s movie version was pretty long, and had a bit too much voice-over narration and “thought dialog” (characters thinking, instead of speaking), as I recall.

Biggirl - I’ll never be able to think of space travel the same way again… :eek:

He’s talking about the mini-series. It looked really good, but I don’t have cable, so I’ve never gotten around to seeing it, but I do have both versions of the John Lynch Dune on tape, and they’re great. Not all too true to the books, if I recall, but still great.

On another note, unless you only have enough money to, say, rent one movie a year…why ask people if you should bother renting a movie? Just spend the 2-5 bucks and rent the damned thing. If it sucks, oh well, at least you’ll have given yourself an excuse to eat popcorn, and honestly, the movie’s long as shit, it’s not that much of a loss anyway.

No.

Avoid that God-Forsaken mini-series like the plague. It was horrible, horrible, and horrible. It changed the nature of all of the characters (I was not a little Luke-Skywalker-wanna-be-whinny-bitch!!!), and was filled with so many stupid errors that it made watching it impossible (oh, so the Fremen can have OPEN AIR SIETCHS?!?!?! WTF! That only destroys one of the biggest plot points of the entire book!).

I hate the sci-fi channel mini-series.
The original movie was pretty bad as well (where the hell did they get sound weapons and heart-plugs?). However, the look of much of it was pretty darn good, except for the lack of head cover, the still suits were perfect. Frank Herbert actually worked on the film, so that may be why the “feel” of it is so much closer to the book. Anyway, although it was bad, the movie is what got me to read the books, and my appreciation for it has only grown after the Sci-Fi debacle.

BTW, there are two or three different versions to the Dune movie. One is about a half-hour longer, has a different intro, etc.

BTW, Biggirl you forgot to mention Sting.

No, she didn’t.

Emphasis added.

Maybe you need some spice-glasses.

Woops. I was blinded by rage after recaling the Sci-Fi mini-series.

I hated the Dune movie and mini-series. There was nothing wrong with the books to require so much change. Plus, some of what they added/left out would change the continuing story of the rest of the books. :::sigh:::: Can’t Hollywood do anything right?

Still, I would love to see an adaption of The White Plague, my all time fave Herbert book.

The Jesus Incident would be cool, too.

…can’t forget the parody.

Doon…dessert planet.

Look for it in your local used-book store. It’s hilarious. :slight_smile:

On a related note, the coming attractions for Children of Dune just came on the SciFi channel. You know, I really liked the miniseries, although I hated David Lynch’s version. Yes, it was different from the book, but not terribly so, and I thought the scenery and costumes were beautiful. Also, I can’t get that eerie flute music out of my head.

I joke with Mrs. Quarx that I must be the only techie who hates Star Trek, but I love the hell out of Dune. Both the books and the miniseries.

Another vote for hating the Lynch movie.

I hadn’t read the book before I saw the film and found it totally baffling. Hardly any of the characters were introduced or their relationships explained adequately, most of the main actors were mis-cast and hopelessly directed; it was as if they didn’t know who they were or where the plot was heading. In fact the plot was so far edited from the events in the book that it was impossible to follow anyhow.

I left the cinema feeling I’d watched a two-and-a-quarter-hour trailer for the real film. I also heard Lynch being interviewed later and he admitted he couldn’t understand it either. Thanks Dave :rolleyes:.

Actually… I loved Dune the movie as a kid… it struck me as something really cool. I was probably 8 when I saw it. I read the book 7 years later - finished it in January this year. I’ve also read the prequels, though I’ve decided they could have done a much better job on “The Butlerian Jihad.” Much better.

I just couldn’t get over the fact that fremen were shown having a blatant disregard for the loss of moisture. If only the production values and cast would’ve been better on the mini-series. Plus the Sardaukar looked really stupid in the mini-series. I really would’ve wanted to seen Jodorowsky’s vision no matter how much it veered from the original story.

Yes!!! I found the Daily Radar review!
I am going to post it in its entirety (for part one) here since the wayback machine is a little clunky. Also, since DR shutdown, I don’t think that there are any problems with copyrights.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010123223500/www.dailyradar.com/reviews/tvshow_review_293.html
This review was spot-on perfect.

What did Frank Herbert do to deserve this?

Part One of the Sci Fi Channel’s hyped Dune adaptation, the network’s first miniseries, aired last night to probably the largest audience in the network’s history. We’re huge supporters of science fiction here at Daily Radar, but if John Harrison’s version of the book continues along the path set out by the first part, Dune’s chances at legitimacy are in trouble. Bad acting, terrible costume choices, awful accents and adaptation choices that bewilder both the fan and newcomer go a long way to crush any hopes that this version will capture the essence of Herbert’s masterpiece.

Herbert’s work is a complex tale of a future society that undergoes an amazing transformation at the hands of a human superbeing. With a future society so alien to our own, half the intricacy of the book is merely explaining the culture in which the tale takes place. The difficulty for any director is illuminating this intricate world for the viewer or successfully whittling down the complexity in order to be more understandable. Unfortunately this task seems beyond John Harrison, much as it was for David Lynch. From the acting to the plot, Dune fails to tell the story completely or make it understandable for newcomers.
The acting is generally bad. Paul Atreides isn’t supposed to be a 15-year-old version of a whiny Luke Skywalker; he’s supposed to be a precocious teen version of the universe’s most developed human being, representing a breeding program thousands of years old. He’s supposed to the be the son of an incredibly powerful leader, trained in ways of the Bene Gesserit, with the ability to be a Mentat – the most powerful thinkers in the universe. Instead what we’ve got is a moody boy who wants to head into the Tashi station to get some power converters. Don’t worry, he’s not alone. Most of the acting doesn’t fit with the story, with the notable exceptions of Duncan Idaho, Shadout Mapes and Duke Leto.

The costuming looks like Elton John’s wardrobe closet exploded into the future. Why is Feyd wearing a kite on the back of his head? Were those stillsuits made by K-Mart? The accents are just as bad. The Bene Gesserit Reverend mother sounds like Count Dracula, and the Mentats all sound like her Transylvanian cousins.

Many of the sets are very well done, and the CGI scenes look fantastic. Any scene that’s all computer generated looks great. The budget of the series comes glaringly into focus, though, anytime there is a mixture of live action and CGI. So far that’s been most noticeable in two scenes showing the actors in the desert. They look horrible.

Part One of the miniseries reflects the first act of the book. This is the task that makes or breaks any version of Dune: introducing the major characters, explaining their motivations, convening enough of the society to understand the drastic change about to occur – and, of course, at the same time telling the story of House Atreides’ fall.

Major plot points were removed without justification, while other pieces were added in a failed effort that we can only assume was meant to make the story easier for the general public to digest. The future society isn’t explained adequately for the newcomer, and many important characters are barely developed. Worst of all, the show doesn’t do a good job of explaining the most important aspect of the first act: Paul Atreides and the fall of House Atreides.

In a brilliantly devious maneuver by the Baron Harkonnen, the lynchpin of which is a traitor who is above suspicion, House Harkonnen wipes House Atreides out of existence. In a baffling choice, Harrison decided to downplay the story of the traitor, Dr. Yeuh, in order, apparently, to touch on as many scenes from the book as possible, no matter their relevance. He also adds scenes, such as Princess Irulan’s visit, that make no sense except to spark a ridiculous love interest specifically contrary to the books. These plot choices are baffling.

Part One of the series is a poorly acted, freakishly costumed film with variations built into the Herbert story that probably have Frank spinning in his grave. There had better be a serious turnaround in store for this to be anything other than a colossal blight on the Dune legacy and a horrible mistake for the Sci Fi network.

After seeing the first episode of the Dune mini-series, it was six months before I ever watched the Sci-Fi channel again…it was that bad…there was so much wrong with it, I don’t even know where to start. The only thing I remember about it anymore is that one scene when they’re all out in the “desert,” and you can actually see the wall of the soundstage behind them. Ughh. What a lame excuse for a movie…

But, I guess that we are lucky that this did not get made

shudder

Hmmmm… Thanks for the heads up, Muad’dib (and others). I’ve only seen the David Lynch movie version – haven’t seen the miniseries, but from evidence presented here, it sounds worth avoiding.

I liked the Sci Fi version purely for the eye candy.
Saw the Lynch version twice by accident in the theatre (we meant to see Buckaroo banzai but drove to the wrong theatre) and didn’t hate it but it was largely nonsense. To this day my friends and I mock the “could he be the one” thought-over.
Slogged through the first four Dune books before realizing how awful they were and giving up.
Thought the Nat’l Lampoon parody Doon was OK but not as good as Bored of the Rings.

:eek: :mad:
sic’s Shai Hulud on unbeliever