Scott Walker recall takes an unexpected turn.

Can I quote you in November?

Nope. But why is that relevant? In a closed shop union membership is mandatory for employment. What Bricker originally asked is whether or not you think mandatory union membership is a good thing or not, you answered with a mostly irrelevant question about Federal or State law.

If the only way I can get a job working for the State of Wisconsin is to pay some money to the union, do you think that’s defensible? Yes or no?

If it is still a free country.

It’s the result of a contract between the union and the employer, combined with a state where the law permits such contractual terms.

I’ll certainly take a cite. I think Walker is a douche, but I’m more than willing to admit that Wisconsin may just like him. Although, I, as I said above, suspect that his love might be based on highly advertised misinformation, like borrowing money to have a surplus.

I read the seven and a half to one number a few days ago and heard the 8 to one today. So if you have a cite, I’d like to see it.

Apart from the literary allusion to Shelley’s poem, I have no idea what this means.

Did you believe the open meetings law claims made by Democrats? Yes or no should really handle that question, with no need to invoke Percy Bysshe.

Indeed, they do. Mandates also seem to have the effect of galvanizing the opposition, so I can honestly say I hope Walker proceeds along your wished path.

<Dr Cox> What a delightful flavor, this is so good, what is it..oh,yes, the sweet ,sweet taste of victory <Dr Cox>

Do you understand the difference between generically “borrowing money” and restructuring debt?

Because you, Bricker, et al, would like to pin the treachery of mandatory union membership on the evil union thugs, when it was the employers who agreed to enforce the mandate. Are you no longer in favor of contracts between consenting parties? Is it the function of the state to insert itself between employers and employees with regards to the employment contract?

I’m sorry you have to deal with the Republicans filibustering everything. It must be so terrible for you to endure that, since you’re such an upstanding guy. :smiley:

So, absent the right of collective bargaining (which, by the way, we Texas teachers lost more than forty years ago), how do you suppose public employees should bargain for better working conditions and/or compensation? Since the employer is the general public, does that mean that the employer has the right – or even the obligation – to run roughshod over employees’ needs?

So, it is not mandatory. The employer agreed to it. It’s not like their hands are tied.

Before Walker signed Act 10, it was the law in Wisconsin, for teachers and public employees.

Yes. Yes I do.

Isn’t the additional interest cost of the loan more than the savings? The budget shortfall, I mean.

Cite?

83% in 54/45 Walker.

Trash the capitol was a God damned FAUX NEWS lie. $7 million melted away in the wash of sunlight. You need to get out of the Conservative bubble from time to time.

At this rate, I might beat the spread.

In case anyone is interested, here is a link to the results of all the recall races in WI: